> I think Jacob has been _extraordinarily_ polite, considering some of
> the comments you have made.
Yes, thanks. I talked with him personally off-list and he seems to
understand my position. We discussed some of the important points, and
he said i did few good suggestions.
That was reached not because of his politeness, but correct his and
mine actions.

No one else discussed _real_ things I mentioned in this thread.
I also asked what about bug/feature separation for instance. Wasn't it
discussed and accepted a month ago? Would that be useful or not? Who
is responsible for this?
You seems to see only critique, and don't see real questions behind
it. Please try answer on those.

> If you have a _specific_ proposal for fixing some _specific_ problem,
> either in code or in process, you should feel free to make that
> suggestion. We're always open to suggestions and improvements.
I see, you (Django core team) are always open to _discuss_ suggestions
and improvements.
But are not ready to apply them because you are very busy working with
other suggestions and improvements.
You are willing to increase number of core developers.
But you don't want to increase number of people because quality will
decrease, and you like quality.
You are stuck. :)
Why your top priority is contributing code by yourself instead of
helping others contribute high quality code effectively??? [This
question is one you needs to answer actually]

> What we're not open to is being asked to defend the amount of time we
> _volunteer_, or explain why we haven't made 'sufficient' progress, or
> responding to any other ultimatum. If you want progress to be faster,
> pitch in, don't bitch in.
I think I explained that my 'pitch in' was ineffective, and explained why.
I don't want to become committer. I want to contribute high quality
code effectively.
If you do ineffective things - go with it, i won't say a word, but why should I?
I think you got my point now.

And sorry, but you are too dissipated already to be open for improvements.
Ok. No problem. ;)

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