> On Apr 8, 2023, at 6:56 AM, John Levine <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> We're never going to persuade DMARC absolutists that the damage is real,
> nor the rest of us that we can wave our hands and ignore the damage.

John, the damage is real. There’s no doubt about that. Trade offs, painful 
trade offs, have to be made and I’m sure this isn’t the first WG to face trade 
offs and have to make hard decisions or not. 

If DMARC can protect domains from spoofing which I believe ends up costing over 
$14 billion per year. Forget about the $14 billion and think how this crime 
spree affects people’s view of one of the last remnants of the free internet. 
It’s a fiasco on so many levels. If you have the tools to make a real 
difference and I can say from first hand experience DMARC has helped people’s 
financial and mental health.

The standard and the document should reflect that it’s already making a massive 
difference and could do even more. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect ml 
managers to adapt. If cyber crime was street crime people would be panicking in 
the streets. 

N

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