dear Noel, I'm happy that you are back, we really miss DWN, but I'm also sorry to contradict you on this one.
On Tue, 05 May 2015, Noel Torres wrote: > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to > be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for > such an anti-freedom POV. perhaps we could say it was to simplify the transition, but in operating on packages so far we have removed systemd and the possibility to run it on Devuan, which is now as far as that of running sysvinit on Debian for normal users. This is more of a consequence of how Debian imposed systemd than a deliberate choice from our side. I personally agree with your line about init-freedom, but less agree with the line of telling people this is not their place especially if they look for a systemd-free system for whatever reason they have. At the inception of Devuan we have analysed the tradeoff of keeping systemd optional and thought it was too much work in a direction we weren't interested: we recommend Debian as the system of choice for those wanting to have systemd crippl*cough*cough*manage their computers. As simple as this, the result is that there is no option to have systemd in Devuan now and the simpliest way to have it would be anyway to use Debian. I'm not sure it will be ever a priority to get systemd back as optional for Devuan. Perhaps init-freedom is really realized by a plurality of distributions and if there is a merit for Devan is still that of preserving this freedom by providing an OS that is open to every init system *but systemd* since the latter does exclude anyone else by an enormous network of dependencies. In the future we'll invest efforts in supporting sysvinit and more init systems our there (OpenRC, DMD etc.) thus we'll be a bit more "universal" than Debian. Again personally I think that is an arrogant move today for any OS to declare itself "universal" as init-freedom and more freedom in the future is really realized by a plurality of distributions, a lesson we learn from this fork perhaps. ciao _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
