But I guess there is no obstacle to for instance run vdev with systemd, huh?
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Jaromil <[email protected]> wrote: > > dear Noel, > > I'm happy that you are back, we really miss DWN, but I'm also sorry to > contradict you on this one. > > On Tue, 05 May 2015, Noel Torres wrote: > > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your > > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to > > be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for > > such an anti-freedom POV. > > perhaps we could say it was to simplify the transition, but in operating > on packages so far we have removed systemd and the possibility to run it > on Devuan, which is now as far as that of running sysvinit on Debian for > normal users. This is more of a consequence of how Debian imposed > systemd than a deliberate choice from our side. I personally agree with > your line about init-freedom, but less agree with the line of telling > people this is not their place especially if they look for a > systemd-free system for whatever reason they have. > > At the inception of Devuan we have analysed the tradeoff of keeping > systemd optional and thought it was too much work in a direction we > weren't interested: we recommend Debian as the system of choice for > those wanting to have systemd crippl*cough*cough*manage their computers. > > As simple as this, the result is that there is no option to have systemd > in Devuan now and the simpliest way to have it would be anyway to use > Debian. I'm not sure it will be ever a priority to get systemd back as > optional for Devuan. Perhaps init-freedom is really realized by a > plurality of distributions and if there is a merit for Devan is still > that of preserving this freedom by providing an OS that is open to every > init system *but systemd* since the latter does exclude anyone else by > an enormous network of dependencies. In the future we'll invest efforts > in supporting sysvinit and more init systems our there (OpenRC, DMD > etc.) thus we'll be a bit more "universal" than Debian. > > Again personally I think that is an arrogant move today for any OS to > declare itself "universal" as init-freedom and more freedom in the > future is really realized by a plurality of distributions, a lesson we > learn from this fork perhaps. > > ciao > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >
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