On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM, shraptor shraptor <[email protected]> wrote:
> But I guess there is no obstacle to for instance run vdev with systemd, > huh? > There shouldn't be. However, someone will have to write a .service file for it. -Jude > > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Jaromil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> dear Noel, >> >> I'm happy that you are back, we really miss DWN, but I'm also sorry to >> contradict you on this one. >> >> On Tue, 05 May 2015, Noel Torres wrote: >> > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your >> > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to >> > be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for >> > such an anti-freedom POV. >> >> perhaps we could say it was to simplify the transition, but in operating >> on packages so far we have removed systemd and the possibility to run it >> on Devuan, which is now as far as that of running sysvinit on Debian for >> normal users. This is more of a consequence of how Debian imposed >> systemd than a deliberate choice from our side. I personally agree with >> your line about init-freedom, but less agree with the line of telling >> people this is not their place especially if they look for a >> systemd-free system for whatever reason they have. >> >> At the inception of Devuan we have analysed the tradeoff of keeping >> systemd optional and thought it was too much work in a direction we >> weren't interested: we recommend Debian as the system of choice for >> those wanting to have systemd crippl*cough*cough*manage their computers. >> >> As simple as this, the result is that there is no option to have systemd >> in Devuan now and the simpliest way to have it would be anyway to use >> Debian. I'm not sure it will be ever a priority to get systemd back as >> optional for Devuan. Perhaps init-freedom is really realized by a >> plurality of distributions and if there is a merit for Devan is still >> that of preserving this freedom by providing an OS that is open to every >> init system *but systemd* since the latter does exclude anyone else by >> an enormous network of dependencies. In the future we'll invest efforts >> in supporting sysvinit and more init systems our there (OpenRC, DMD >> etc.) thus we'll be a bit more "universal" than Debian. >> >> Again personally I think that is an arrogant move today for any OS to >> declare itself "universal" as init-freedom and more freedom in the >> future is really realized by a plurality of distributions, a lesson we >> learn from this fork perhaps. >> >> ciao >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > >
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