On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:03:45 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20170620000345.0e897...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:10:04 +0200 > Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:55:40PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > >> I support getting GNOME to be available out-of-the-box Devuan. > > >> The counter-arguments were not compelling. > > >> > > I'm allways surprised when people seem to find Gnome is > > compelling. I never found it compelling. A dozen years ago I moved > > to KDE, because Gnome was so ugly. Later I turned back to Gnome > > when KDE went crazy; then Gnome-3 went mental also and I switched > > to Gnome-2, and then Xfce4. My children told me recently the Linux > > we have at home seems much simpler than those of some of their > > friends. I'm not sure they consider this a compliment, but I'm > > happy with it because simplicity is a quality for me and the > > complexity of other DEs is neither usefull nor pleasant, just > > exasperating. > > Above, Didier expresses his personal opinion on the compellingness of > Gnome. I agree 100% with his personal opinion. > > What really amazes me is that, in this world of multiple excellent > GOSFUIs (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/gosfui.htm), Gnome3 is > considered such a must-have that people discuss moving huge numbers of > programmer-hours from stuff an OS really needs to an ongoing undoing > of the systemdizing of Gnome3. > > First, Gnome3 is bizarre in that it's one of those interfaces that > joins Unity and Windows 8 thru 10 in guessing what the user wants, and > if that first guess isn't productive, well, let the user look at > everything. Not productive for those with varied computer activities. > > Then there's Suckless Tools' dmenu program, which provides a 25+ wpm > typist with the most productive imaginable program running interface. > Dmenu is trivial to integrate with almost any GOSFUI. > > Then there's the wide variety of spectacular GOSFUIs that will suit > anyone. The person wanting the standard Win9x interface like KDE3 and > (basically) Gnome2 will love LXDE. The Unity lover will equally love > Window maker, with equally big program icons, but the ability to have > more of them. I don't know how long Xfce will remain systemd > independent, but as long as it does, it's a great replacment for > Gnome2. > > If low memory, lean and mean is your thing, use twm, jwm, Openbox, > IceWM, fvwm (which is as extensible as anyone could imaging), > Windowmaker, and probably 10 other GOSFUIs are suitable. > > Tiled window managers aren't for everybody, but some tiled > practitioners make their tiled interfaces walk and talk. Watch someone > skilled in awesome, dwm, i3, Ratpoison, StumpWM, xmonad and the like, > and the productivity will knock your socks off. > > With all these excellent GOSFUIs around, when someone speaks of paying > allegience to systemd, either by running it or by constantly > reengineering out Gnome3 dependencies to it, I just don't understand > the priorities. > > SteveT ..those priorities can only make sense in some kinda warfare. Systemd is either some kinda back-up for Tor etc people, or, it is meant to defeat and possibly exterminate us Tor etc people, we just don't know which way it is, now. (Gnome-1.? as it was done in S.u.S.E.-5.2, was _wonderful_.) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng