On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 02:10:52AM +0000, Lican Huang wrote:
> If SEARCH outside DNS were full power, then DNS would disappear soon. And
> all DNS registrar companies would broken out.
perhaps you are right. at this point we don't have enough data.
> What is the difference between www.microsoft.com and www.jksdfjsdfdfsdf.com
> if they represent for the same address of http page? We can browser the
> micorsoft's web page through the link of the SEARCH output easily. But if
> microsoft company used www.jksdfjsdfdfsdf.com for its domain name, then
> what useful this kind of DNS would exist?
at what poiint in time did the string "microsoft" gain any sort
of human memorable meaning? what would have been the result if
Bill Gates named his new company "jksdfjsdfdfsdf"? 25 years
later, it would be a globally recognizable mark and you would
be arguing over other strings.
>
> My opion is that in the future if DNS would survive, DNS must have some
> reform.
you are entitled to your opinion. others are entitled to thier
opinions as well. you seem to have failed, this time, to persuade
people that adding search to the DNS is a wise & prudent thing for
the evolution of the protocol. im my own case, having implemented
rudimentary search in the DNS - i can't recommend it for anyting
other than as an interesting academic exercise. the pieces
you have written drafts about fail to include a key, critical
component of a DNS with Search capability. Still, an interesting
stab at a perceived problem. It might make more sense if you actually
had all the required peices documented.
--bill
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:27:06AM +0000, Lican Huang wrote:
> > When Ipv4 addresses will be Exhausted in the near future and the next
> > generation Intenert( Ipv6) will take over, DNS names will also be exhausted
> > soon with the increase of hosts and users. Lenny Foner has pointed other
> > disadvantage in the today's DNS.
> > Please see the section of "What's broken?" in the article of Lenny Foner in
> > http://www.cfp2000.org/workshop/materials/projects-dns.html.
>
> Full IPv4 utilization and increasing use of IPv6 is completely
> orthonginal to DNS label exaustion. Some have argued that all
> the "good" names are taken; e.g. the DNS is exausted. This was
> first proposed in 1996 (to my memory) yet more than a decade later,
> we see that the domain name system is robust and growing.
> With the inherent hierarchical structure of the DNS lable, the
> mathmatical upper bound is pretty high and we are no where near
> DNS name exaustion. If you have actual data indicating otherwise,
> I'd love to see the studies.
>
> >
> > Domain Names in DNS must have some human-understanding meaning it,
> > otherwise, we can just use IP addresses or numerials for the names. In
> > other words, if we use human-not-understanding Names in DNS, the DNS system
> > can be throwed away.
> >
> > The draft namespace is different with the today's DNS namespace. But, due
> > to the exhaustion of Names in DNS in the near future, The DNS will add new
> > domains.
> > Why adding new domain names with semantic meaning in the future?
>
> DNS names do not -HAVE- to have human understandable components.
> In many cases, this is highly desired -BUT- is not required for
> use. And yes, numeric literals have been used in the past.
> Use of the IP address instead of the name is one of the failures
> of application design. The IP address indicates WHERE a node is
> in the Internet topology, not the identity of the node. The
> Name is the indicator of the node IDENTITY. the DNS maps names to
> addresses and makes no assurance as to the human friendliness of the
> name or the reachability of the address. Your assertion that the
> "DNS system can be thowed away" is vacuously true. If you find it
> non-useful, there is no requirement for you to use it. Many people
> use the DNS to get a lable, memorable or not, and then use other
> tools to map that lable into something meaningful... e.g. SEARCH.
> It does not invalidate the use of the DNS in any way.
>
> >
> > This draft can be used for search the locatons of the resources if the DNS
> > using classified hierarchical Domain Names.
> >
>
> I think I prefer SEARCH to be outside the DNS (having actually
> built a varient of the DNS which supported regular expression
> expansion of the "?" and "*" characters...)
>
> Your milage will vary.
>
> --bill
>
>
> > Mohsen Souissi wrote:
> > I have read the I-D as well and I second Joe's point of view and his
> > arguments below.
> >
> > Mohsen.
> >
> > On 03 Dec, Joe Abley wrote:
> > | Hi,
> > |
> > | I have read your draft, draft-licanhuang-dnsop-urnresolution-00.
> > |
> > | The question was raised just now in the dnsop working group meeting in
> > | Vancouver as to whether the content of this draft was suitable for
> > | adoption as a working group item. The question was triggered by the
> > | presence of "dnsop" in the draft name.
> > |
> > | I have read your document. I do not believe it is a suitable basis for
> > | a dnsop working group item. Specifically:
> > |
> > | 1. The document describes a namespace which is substantially different
> > | form what is available in the DNS today. The existing DNS namespace is
> > | not addressed at all.
> > |
> > | 2. The document seems to address an extension to (or an application
> > | for) the protocol described in draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns,
> > | which (to this reader) seems clearly not to be "the DNS", at least any
> > | conventional meaning of that term.
> >
> >
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