Howdy Milos, Ďakujem!
Všetko najlepšie. Drew On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:28 AM Milos Sramek <sramek.mi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Cathy and Drew, > as the terminology is unclear, I've prepared a document with explanation > and screenshots: http://sospreskoly.org/~milos/indexentry.odt > I hope it helps > > Drew: It is not "indexing a character space". it is placing index entry > to a certain position in the document without relation to any specific > document text. LO distinguishes in fact two types of index entries, but > provides the same interface for both . > Milos > > > On 11/13/18 4:06 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Reading along and having Writer open trying to do what you seem to be > > asking and to be honest I am totally confused. > > > > Here is what I think you are looking for. > > > > You want me index a space character and give that a tag, which I suppose > is > > us typing in the word that we didn't just select before we opened the > > dialog box. > > > > Assuming that this word is in multiple places in the document, which I > > didn't select for the index, i then forego the ability to auto select all > > the instances and instead find them by hand, then select another space > > character and do it all over again and again. > > > > Is that it? > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 8:07 PM Cathy Crumbley <catcr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> HI Milos, > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to explain. For editing Writer > >> documentation, I needed to learn about Hunspell, so understand the issue > >> you are facing. > >> > >> To help me understand this better, I have some questions: > >> > >> Is it correct that you want only the singular nominative form of nouns > >> in the index? > >> > >> What do you mean by "embedded" index entries? > >> > >> It sounds like surrounding a word or phrase to save it creates a > >> different result than inserting the cursor before or after the word or > >> phrase. But what is the difference in what is saved? > >> > >> The few times I have made an index entry by inserting the cursor before > >> or after a word (with no space between) only that word appears in the > >> index. Since we need to write the exact index entry in the index dialog, > >> it is puzzling that Writer would still grab neighboring words. This > >> seems like a bug. Do you know if it has been reported as a bug? Do we > >> know for sure that it is still a problem? > >> > >> I think it would be helpful to understand more about what is involved in > >> translation. My understanding is that some language translators write > >> their own documentation while others start with the English version. I > >> don't have a clear sense of how that works. I tend to make a lot of > >> changes, including sharpening text and rearranging content. However, I > >> don't have a good sense of what this means for translators. To what > >> extent does it matter if there are many as opposed to few changes for > you? > >> > >> Thank you for whatever clarification and information you can provide. > >> > >> Cathy > >> > >> On 11/9/2018 11:10 AM, Milos Sramek wrote: > >>> Dear Cathy, > >>> > >>> I am the author of the request to not to "create index entries that > >>> surround words or phrases". > >>> > >>> The rationale is this: In English nouns have just two forms, one for > >>> singular and one for plural. In languages with inflection it is > >>> different, in Slovak we have up to 10 forms of a single word. > >>> > >>> In the case of "index entries that surround words or phrases" the > >>> "surrounded word or phrase" goes directly in the index. As we need to > >>> use in translation an appropriate inflected form of the word, in that > >>> case the inflected one will create an index entry, and not the basic > >>> (singular nominative) one. > >>> > >>> Example: There is an index entry "document" with three instances. I > need > >>> to translate them as "dokument", "dokumentom" "dokumenty". These will > >>> create three independent entrees in the translated index, which is > >>> unacceptable. Therefore, we need those "embedded" index entries. > >>> > >>> LO somehow automates insertion of index term - when opening the Index > >>> entry dialog it highlights the nearest word and fills with it the Entry > >>> field. In order to avoid these "surrounded words", one needs to enter > >>> something else (maybe the suggested space after) or to place the entry > >>> to a neighboring word. > >>> > >>> Milos > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/8/18 6:18 AM, Cathy Crumbley wrote: > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> The Contributor Guide is extremely helpful and I deeply appreciate > >>>> that someone --presumably Jean--invested the time and energy to create > >>>> it. I would just like a little bit of clarification. > >>>> > >>>> Chapter 2 provides guidelines for indexing. On page 11, the guidelines > >>>> say: "The translators have requested that we do NOT create index > >>>> entries that surround words or phrases in the text. Instead, we need > >>>> to create entries that are embedded before or after the words or > >>>> phrases to be included in the index." > >>>> > >>>> What is the rationale for not creating index entries that surround > >>>> words or phrases? How does this help the translators? > >>>> > >>>> Then, in the next paragraph, it says "Either highlight the word or > >>>> phrase to add to the index or place the cursor at the beginning of the > >>>> word." > >>>> > >>>> This appears to contradict the previous paragraph, where it says to > >>>> not highlight entire words and phrases. What should the guideline be? > >>>> > >>>> Two lines later, it says: "DO NOT simply accept the word or phrase > >>>> shown in the Entry box. Instead, first change the word or phrase in > >>>> some way, for example by typing a blank space at the end or (if > >>>> appropriate) changing an initial uppercase letter to lowercase. > >>>> > >>>> This requirement seems puzzling. I am sure that there are good reasons > >>>> for changing the word or phrase and would appreciate some insight. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for whatever clarification people can provide. > >>>> > >>>> Cathy > >>>> > >>>> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> Problems? > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> List archive: > https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > > -- > email & jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
