On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:51:02 -0400
Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I must not have realized that this was a recruiting drive masquerading as a
> survey.
> 
> If I had time and inclination to contribute to dspam, I would have done so
> already (or at least, more recently.) It is incredibly painful and fragile
> and it sits in a core part of my environment, so I don't touch it if I can
> possibly avoid it. (I don't even retrain if I can avoid it because it does
> so much db load it triggers a hang in postfix-policyd that causes it to stop
> accepting mail until it is killed.)
>
Gee... you really, really should consider upgrading to 3.9.0.
I have a lot of servers where I run DSPAM. But let me show you the memory used 
by DSPAM (and MySQL since I use on those two systems MySQL as storage backend) 
on two servers that I use for a bunch of users. Those two servers handle 
several hundred domains and several thousand end-users:

MX1:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
theia ~ # ps -ylC dspam,mysqld --sort rss
S   UID   PID  PPID  C PRI  NI   RSS    SZ WCHAN  TTY          TIME CMD
S     0  2613     1  0  80   0  5592 10948 -      ?        00:02:32 dspam
S    60  4386     1  0  80   0 446384 242326 -    ?        00:27:05 mysqld
theia ~ #
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

MX2:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
nyx ~ # ps -ylC dspam,mysqld --sort rss
S   UID   PID  PPID  C PRI  NI   RSS    SZ WCHAN  TTY          TIME CMD
S     0  2498     1  0  80   0  5048 10850 -      ?        00:01:49 dspam
S    60  4134     1  0  80   0 468248 356689 -    ?        00:22:00 mysqld
nyx ~ #
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

This is the usage after running around one week (I updated the Kernel to 
2.6.34.1 and needed to reboot both systems).

MySQL version is 5.1.48 and I run the two nodes in a Master <-> Master mode. 
Storage engine in MySQL is InnoDB. MySQL is not only used for DSPAM. The MTA 
and other tools use the MySQL server too.

The DSPAM data is resisting on a GlusterFS share that is replicated on both 
nodes. So both nodes see the same data (quarantine, etc...).

Average processing time in DSPAM is around 47ms per message (aka: 21 messages 
per second). This is just the time DSPAM takes/needs to process and does not 
include my MTA and other things.

Both systems are p...@2.8ghz systems. Nothing special.

With all the other things that I haver running for fighting Spam my current 
Spam volume is around 2% to 6% (this includes Spam from Spam honeypots). Most 
of my users never or rarely see Spam.


> That makes me a bad person to do
> testing, because I need it to work. 3.8.0 works, mostly, so it is left
> alone. (Although spam filtering is on the list of things to be reevaluated
> soon, simply because it is so fragile and resource intensive.)
> 
Fragile? UHA! You really need to reevaluate your Anti-Spam solution. Whatever 
you use it should NOT be fragile. Resource intensive is another thing but 
fragile? Fragile in a server environment? This should not be the case 
regardless what Anti-Spam solution you use.


-- 
Kind Regards from Switzerland,

Stevan Bajić

> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Paul Cockings <ds...@cytringan.co.uk>wrote:
> 
> > Disconnect wrote:
> >
> >> As was stated earlier, the installs were amazingly painful and finicky.
> >> The upgrades were worse. So it is sitting at 3.8.0 because I -really- don't
> >> want to have it start dropping mail again, or blowing up, or not training,
> >> etc..
> >>
> >> The other reason is http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dspam ..
> >> you're likely to find servers running that version until it gets changed.
> >> The unstable bleeding-edge version is still 3.6.8...
> >>
> > Hi 'Disconnect'
> >
> > So what setup do you have?  Debian ?  Postfix + Mysql?
> > Are you running stock 3.8.0 or have you tweaked the code yourself to fix
> > some bugs
> > How much mail do you process and what type of hardware
> >
> > Do you have any coding skills that can help Dspam project out?
> >

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