Neat, personal attacks. Way to stay classy. Paul asked for feedback:
I'd love to hear comments from anyone still running 3.6.8 and 3.8.0 I
> want to understand why you didn't upgrade yet. What can we do to help you?
> I'd also love to hear from anyone who made the switch up to 3.9.0 - was
> the experience good?
Some people expressed that the previous installations/upgrades were, at
best, painful. I agreed.
I'm terribly sorry that you think we should rewrite history, but regardless
of how nice 3.9.0 is, installing or upgrading earlier versions was a MESS.
(Relatively) lots of people have come forward here saying 3.9.0 is much
better - great. (Although your behavior makes me wonder how many people
reported bugs, got flamed for daring to think it wasn't perfect, and left..
this list is somewhat self-selecting for people who are still using it. If
that means dealing with your attitude, I can understand why adoption dropped
and why everyone who is left thinks its the best thing since sliced bread..
everyone else left already.)
And I stated, in so many words, that I was going to be looking at upgrading
it. (I also pointed out that you were going to end up supporting 3.6.8
forever if someone doesn't step up to either prod or replace the debian
maintainers.)
Would you like to try to put any other words in my mouth? Or can we get back
to the technical discussion/survey?
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Stevan Bajić <ste...@bajic.ch> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:30:08 -0700
> Quanah Gibson-Mount <qua...@zimbra.com> wrote:
>
> > --On Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:26 PM +0200 Stevan Bajić <ste...@bajic.ch
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> I'm not writing off dspam in my environments, but neither am I rushing
> to
> > >> alphatest new versions of a historically unstable, fragile project.
> > >>
> > > Alphatest? The release is out since 1/2 year. The alphatest phase is
> > > long, long, long ago done. You are in no way alphatesting. 3.9.0 is a
> > > stable release.
> >
> > On a related note, Zimbra upgraded to using DSPAM 3.9.0 quite some time
> > ago. During the process (we upgraded to the rc's before the final
> > production release), I broke one of the RCs, and heard a multitude of
> > complaints. We've had zero complaints with the production 3.9.0 in
> place.
> > So I would think if there was something seriously wrong with the release,
> > we'd have heard something by now. ;)
> >
> Thanks for the feedback. But I am pretty much confident that the user
> "Disconnect" does still not care and will not upgrade.
>
> Anyway... it's good to hear that you have no big issues with DSPAM in
> Zimbra. One thing that I find rather strange is that you use DSPAM inside
> Amavis in Zimbra. Why is that? Why are you not using DSPAM outisde of Amavis
> on a per user basis rather then using one single user (I mean the way how
> Amavis is using DSAPM is that it processes messages under one single DSPAM
> user account)?
>
> You could get much more out of DSPAM if you would wire DSPAM into Postfix
> and then from there instruct DSPAM to work with the Zimbra directory and
> offer the final user to have his own token data and settings. You off course
> could allow administrators to create DSPAM groups which will help to lower
> the amount of training/re-training for the final user and will help to
> increase accuracy.
>
> If I would ask you what you would change/add in future DSPAM releases then
> what would you tell me?
>
>
> > --Quanah
> >
> --
> Kind Regards from Switzerland,
>
> Stevan Bajić
>
>
> > --
> >
> > Quanah Gibson-Mount
> > Principal Software Engineer
> > Zimbra, Inc
> > --------------------
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> >
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