On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:35:09 -0400 Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Disconnect, > Neat, personal attacks. > you mean from me? Because I have written that you will not that easy upgrade? > Way to stay classy. Paul asked for feedback: > > I'd love to hear comments from anyone still running 3.6.8 and 3.8.0 I > > want to understand why you didn't upgrade yet. What can we do to help you? > > I'd also love to hear from anyone who made the switch up to 3.9.0 - was > > the experience good? > > > Some people expressed that the previous installations/upgrades were, at > best, painful. I agreed. > IHMO the documentation can still get some more love. The DSPAM wiki has already a bunch of entries that help users installing and configuring DSPAM. But none of them is so fool proof. I personally find them all good enough but I see so many users out there that have just basic understanding of *nix systems, let alone messaging infrastructure. And those users then follow some how-to and try to build a mail server including virus scanning, anti-spam, etc... and they fail missarably. I really don't know how to make the documentation so good that those users would be able to install and configure DSPAM without issues? > I'm terribly sorry that you think we should rewrite history, but regardless > of how nice 3.9.0 is, installing or upgrading earlier versions was a MESS. > (Relatively) lots of people have come forward here saying 3.9.0 is much > better - great. (Although your behavior makes me wonder how many people > reported bugs, got flamed for daring to think it wasn't perfect, and left.. > this list is somewhat self-selecting for people who are still using it. If > that means dealing with your attitude, I can understand why adoption dropped > and why everyone who is left thinks its the best thing since sliced bread.. > everyone else left already.) > I think you address me. Right? I don't flame anyone. I think in the time I am on this list I only once got pissed about a user. But I am not pissed at you. Not at all. I don't see any reason to be mad at you or flaming you. > And I stated, in so many words, that I was going to be looking at upgrading > it. (I also pointed out that you were going to end up supporting 3.6.8 > forever if someone doesn't step up to either prod or replace the debian > maintainers.) > Julien Valroff has already taken steps in that direction. I joined the discussion and then got out of time and could not deliver what was needed to get 3.9.0 into Debian. I need to find time. It is horrible being almost alone to deal with DSPAM and I got 4 companies to run and a gazillion of other projects. I can not just invest endless time into the project. > Would you like to try to put any other words in my mouth? > I don't get it. English is not my native language and probably I have written something the wrong way or you understod something wrongly. I don't know where I have put words in your mouth? > Or can we get back > to the technical discussion/survey? > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Stevan Bajić <ste...@bajic.ch> wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:30:08 -0700 > > Quanah Gibson-Mount <qua...@zimbra.com> wrote: > > > > > --On Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:26 PM +0200 Stevan Bajić <ste...@bajic.ch > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> I'm not writing off dspam in my environments, but neither am I rushing > > to > > > >> alphatest new versions of a historically unstable, fragile project. > > > >> > > > > Alphatest? The release is out since 1/2 year. The alphatest phase is > > > > long, long, long ago done. You are in no way alphatesting. 3.9.0 is a > > > > stable release. > > > > > > On a related note, Zimbra upgraded to using DSPAM 3.9.0 quite some time > > > ago. During the process (we upgraded to the rc's before the final > > > production release), I broke one of the RCs, and heard a multitude of > > > complaints. We've had zero complaints with the production 3.9.0 in > > place. > > > So I would think if there was something seriously wrong with the release, > > > we'd have heard something by now. ;) > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. But I am pretty much confident that the user > > "Disconnect" does still not care and will not upgrade. > > > > Anyway... it's good to hear that you have no big issues with DSPAM in > > Zimbra. One thing that I find rather strange is that you use DSPAM inside > > Amavis in Zimbra. Why is that? Why are you not using DSPAM outisde of Amavis > > on a per user basis rather then using one single user (I mean the way how > > Amavis is using DSAPM is that it processes messages under one single DSPAM > > user account)? > > > > You could get much more out of DSPAM if you would wire DSPAM into Postfix > > and then from there instruct DSPAM to work with the Zimbra directory and > > offer the final user to have his own token data and settings. You off course > > could allow administrators to create DSPAM groups which will help to lower > > the amount of training/re-training for the final user and will help to > > increase accuracy. > > > > If I would ask you what you would change/add in future DSPAM releases then > > what would you tell me? > > > > > > > --Quanah > > > > > -- > > Kind Regards from Switzerland, > > > > Stevan Bajić > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Quanah Gibson-Mount > > > Principal Software Engineer > > > Zimbra, Inc > > > -------------------- > > > Zimbra :: the leader in open source messaging and collaboration > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dspam-user mailing list > > > Dspam-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > Dspam-user mailing list > > Dspam-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? 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