I'm not push flash at all, but your did say "Name me "one" serious site that
uses FLASH for it's interface and content delivery system"
So here's two :
http://www.elegance-models.com/
http://www.madisonmodels.com/main.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] structure change ideas


> Scott comes back from the dead with "rocks" in his hands.
>
> I've spent "allot" of time with FLASH, in fact we used to use it "to
much".
> We left it for the right reasons.  Pages look "deadish" with Flash, the
> anti-aliasing creates a visual look that is just not sharp and snappy.
> While it may include JS, it's not 100% ECMA compliant and the language is
> incomplete.
>
> We get a far greater approval rating when displaying our hybrid
DHTML/FLASH
> over straight flash.  FLASH is also an <embed> object so any desire to
view
> other <embeds> require the use of pop-ups, lots of clients don't want or
> like these.
>
> While FLASH has a wondrous IDE it also "dummifies" the user.  I know this
> for a fact, because any discussion on Were-Here that has "depth" results
in
> low hanging jaws embracing the faces of Neanderthals.  The XML area of
> Were-Here only has 300ish posts, the "Coolsites" section has ten's of
> thousands.  Says allot about the tool users of FLASH.
>
> The beauty of DynAPI/DHTML is getting your hands dirty in "real code"
> (please remember your roots Scott, you grew up here at DynAPIville).  Take
> two like minded individuals and put them on differing paths to wisdom; one
> starting with a FLASH program and the book "The New Flash Gods" [insert
any]
> and one starting with Textpad and internet link to DynAPI and reference
> material to fill the "desire" that grows out of "dirty finger nails".
I'll
> wager my house that in two years you have an "animated line wiggler" that
> had his mind numbed by "framed animation" in FLASH and another individual
> worth far more in overall value and ability to deliver a diversified set
of
> core-competencies to an organization.
>
> FLASH is "static".  Since FLASH is an "encapsulated object" [the browser
> doesn't even know what it is] it cannot offer 25 different versions of
> itself.  We do it all the time with a simple file addition and code
change.
> While this could be done in FLASH the file size would be HUGE (include all
> art) or it would require the hand creation of 25 of each instance of every
> movie used in your site, no thanks.
>
> FLASH is 100% introspective.  Since it's an <embed> your forced to look at
> the web thru it's eyes, and the view is limiting.  While FLASH supports
XML
> so does every browser.  Tag parsing and definitions that create "action"
> happens on the server-side or within smart "thin-client" that rely on COM+
> or RMI-OPII remote objects (try squeezing any of these inside a FLASH
> movie).
>
> FLASH has no home in Enterprise.  If I just spent $25 million installing
> Oracle 9i's within our corporate infrastructure I have little interest in
> FLASH if it comes at the expense of dynamic web objects delivered via .NET
> or the J2EE.  Web sites tend to mirror the legacy systems that live behind
> Oz's screen.  Name me "one" serious site that uses FLASH for it's
interface
> and content delivery system?
>
> Walmart went with Broadvision and CORBA power on the server side because
it
> allows them to dynamically hook up their clients vendors and vendors
> databases to make e-commerce more economical.  Their final products put
> FLASH dynamics to shame integrating real-time personality filtering and
> content modification built on the fly.  Vignette and Art Technology Group
> empower 1,000's of fortune 5000 companies.
>
> In the end FLASH looks compelling til you wear the "skin-tight nylon
> leotards" that comes with the software for awhile.  Maybe it may will grow
> up some day.  Maybe someday it will "merge" with the web rather then
laying
> on top of it as an <embed>.  Maybe the users will find the inspiration to
> expand their intellectual horizons beyond the "framework of tendency" that
> FLASHING tends to create within them.
>
> Maybe...
>
> Till then leave us to our expanded education and higher worth while we
diry
> ours nails over here.
>
> May this "rock" find you.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>


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