Laszlo is certainly correct here. There are a number of other open source projects (Xbasic for instance) that use the LGPL, and that support the release of commercial software that uses the project libraries in the way Laszlo has described.
What cannot be done is someone deciding to make their own DHTML API based on DynAPI, then deciding to charge for it, because the API would be derivative of the DynAPI.
JG
Laszlo Teglas wrote:
>As it stands now you won't be able to use the DynAPI for your CD media
unless
>every line of code in the application is released under the LGPL - which is
>likely not possible since it probably includes a lot of other code and
>information that can not be publically redistributable.This is simply not true Dan, and constitutes fear mongering. Read the
license, in particular section 5:'A program that contains no derivative of any portion of the Library, but is
designed to work with the Library by being compiled or linked with it, is
called a "work that uses the Library". Such a work, in isolation, is not a
derivative work of the Library, and therefore falls outside the scope of
this License.'And besides, I have conceded to your request of charging a fee for your
widgets, when the majority has spoken. I agree you should be compensated for
your hard work, I just don't see how you will enforce your copyright of
generic widgets, that could be created by anyone who tries to mimic
functionality of existing API's, such as WinAPI, JAVA Swing.I hope you are successful and prosperous. I would hate to see you put in all
this work with expectations of High payoffs only to see your work closely
mimicked as an open scr product.NanoFace =;^)
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Steinman
Sent: November 28, 2001 1:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: Widget Discussions, License issuesThanks for your support Raymond!
As it stands now you won't be able to use the DynAPI for your CD media
unless every line of code in the application is released under the LGPL -
which is likely not possible since it probably includes a lot of other code
and information that can not be publically redistributable.I posted a message to this list a little while ago about a possible switch
to a BSD style license (there was no responses so I wonder if anyone
recieved it). There is a very good discussion on Slashdot.org today
(http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/27/1650256&mode=thread) about this
very subject - it's all very applicable to the current situation I am in
with the DynAPI and my widget pack.There are a lot of possible uses for DynAPI that cannot be met by
distributing the DynAPI under the LGPL. I am in support of a move to a BSD
style license which grants the ability to use the DynAPI in closed-source
products. Even if only for the core files (dynapi.js, dyndoc, dynlayer,
event, mouseevent) are BSD'd then it would solve the current situation.This would still keep DynAPI open source, and relieve me of some of the
grief of having to refusing to allow people to use the DynAPI in commercial
projects that could greatly benefit from it.I'm still not sure how I'll handle licensing issues with my widgets. I will
sell it for $30 for use in a commercial site, and have a different
"bundling" or "reseller" license to use the widgets inside another
appliciation.Regards,
Dan SteinmanOn Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:00:46AM -0800, Raymond Irving wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Maintening a widget pack takes a lot of time and
> effort, not to mention the documentation. I'm in total
> agreement with Dan on the subject about commercial
> widget packs. If we need quality widgets and support
> why not pay a fee for it! It's very good when you can
> turn to the developer and report errors, request
> features and don't get the response...
>
> " IF YOU WANT IT JUST DO IT YOURSELFT!!!"
>
> Beside that, I just have a quick questions:
>
> --- Dan Steinman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So I am taking things into my own hands, and will be
> > producing a set of widgets that are of commercial
> > quality, will be supporting them and maintaining
> > them on a regular basis. And it will cost around
> > $30 to use these widgets in a commercial website.
>
> I write web apps that are distributed on CD media to
> various customers. Does this means that I'll have to
> purchase a widget pack for each copy of my
> application?
>
>
>
>
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