I hope so.  Moreover, this is a good candidate for open-source
extensions hosted at our side as soon as the open APIs are ready.

Best regards,

Eugene Belyaev
IntelliJ Software, http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of North D
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:29 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities
> 
> 
> Wahey YES!  Reverse-engineered UML class diagrams from 
> unknown source code. This just gets better and better!
> 
> So when can we expect #2 then, Eugene?  :o)
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eugene Belyaev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 22 November 2001 15:14
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities
> > 
> > 
> > There are two main use cases of using a UML tool:
> > 
> > 1) When designing some large subsystems it's very 
> convenient to work 
> > with a modeling tool.  Here a lot of different types of UML 
> diagrams 
> > can be useful.  It's also useful that tools like Together 
> > automatically round-trip code for you.  The drawback is 
> that it needs 
> > to store a lot of meta-information in the code, thus 
> leaving a lot of 
> > comments.
> > 2) For navigation and quick overviews of the code.  The only really 
> > useful tool here is an ability to look at a class diagram quickly 
> > built from the source code.
> > 
> > I would not want IDEA to go for the #1, but #2 is 
> definitely desired a 
> > lot.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Eugene Belyaev
> > IntelliJ Software, http://www.intellij.com
> > "Develop with pleasure"
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephan 
> > > J. Schmidt
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:07 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -1
> > > 
> > > Do not bloat IDEA. I do not need UML in idea. You usually
> > > modell something and when writing code, you only remodell 
> > > from time to time. You can use an UML tool for modelling, 
> > > export to XMI and use XSL to generate the classes. We use 
> > > something similiar, we generate not only the UML defined 
> > > classes but usually a lot of support classes (forms, session 
> > > beans, XML converter). For deployment descriptors and 
> > > interfaces we use xDoclet, which is fine. We only need IDEA 
> > > to understand the relationships between 
> > > remote/home/local/business classes and interfaces,
> > > 
> > > my 2c
> > > bye
> > > -stephan
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2001-11-22 at 09:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > These are my wishes, I know there's been talk of UML 
> capabilities
> > > > earlier and I really look forward to seeing it :) A strong 
> > > integration
> > > > with J2EE would also be very nice thing to have (for me
> > it's a must
> > > > have, but maybe not for others). Here I'm especially
> > thinking about
> > > > deployment for multiple server (CMP 2.0 deployment 
> also) and easy
> > > > debugging/testing. I the last point is a huge one, but it 
> > > would still
> > > > be very nice. Together has nice UML and J2EE integration,
> > but their
> > > > editor is really bad compared to the raw power of IDEA.
> > > > 
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > 
> > > > /Jeppe
> > > > 
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