-1 to bloating IDEA with wizards and UML support as integral and mandatory parts of the IDE. +1 to allowing this kind of thing via open APIs. -Thomas
> -----Original Message----- > From: Eugene Belyaev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities > > > I hope so. Moreover, this is a good candidate for open-source > extensions hosted at our side as soon as the open APIs are ready. > > Best regards, > > Eugene Belyaev > IntelliJ Software, http://www.intellij.com > "Develop with pleasure" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of North D > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:29 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities > > > > > > Wahey YES! Reverse-engineered UML class diagrams from > > unknown source code. This just gets better and better! > > > > So when can we expect #2 then, Eugene? :o) > > > > Cheers, > > Dan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eugene Belyaev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 22 November 2001 15:14 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML capabilities > > > > > > > > > There are two main use cases of using a UML tool: > > > > > > 1) When designing some large subsystems it's very > > convenient to work > > > with a modeling tool. Here a lot of different types of UML > > diagrams > > > can be useful. It's also useful that tools like Together > > > automatically round-trip code for you. The drawback is > > that it needs > > > to store a lot of meta-information in the code, thus > > leaving a lot of > > > comments. > > > 2) For navigation and quick overviews of the code. The > only really > > > useful tool here is an ability to look at a class diagram quickly > > > built from the source code. > > > > > > I would not want IDEA to go for the #1, but #2 is > > definitely desired a > > > lot. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Eugene Belyaev > > > IntelliJ Software, http://www.intellij.com > > > "Develop with pleasure" > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephan > > > > J. Schmidt > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:07 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Eap-features] J2EE integration and UML > capabilities > > > > > > > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > > > Do not bloat IDEA. I do not need UML in idea. You usually > > > > modell something and when writing code, you only remodell > > > > from time to time. You can use an UML tool for modelling, > > > > export to XMI and use XSL to generate the classes. We use > > > > something similiar, we generate not only the UML defined > > > > classes but usually a lot of support classes (forms, session > > > > beans, XML converter). For deployment descriptors and > > > > interfaces we use xDoclet, which is fine. We only need IDEA > > > > to understand the relationships between > > > > remote/home/local/business classes and interfaces, > > > > > > > > my 2c > > > > bye > > > > -stephan > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2001-11-22 at 09:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > These are my wishes, I know there's been talk of UML > > capabilities > > > > > earlier and I really look forward to seeing it :) A strong > > > > integration > > > > > with J2EE would also be very nice thing to have (for me > > > it's a must > > > > > have, but maybe not for others). Here I'm especially > > > thinking about > > > > > deployment for multiple server (CMP 2.0 deployment > > also) and easy > > > > > debugging/testing. I the last point is a huge one, but it > > > > would still > > > > > be very nice. Together has nice UML and J2EE integration, > > > but their > > > > > editor is really bad compared to the raw power of IDEA. > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > /Jeppe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Eap-features mailing list > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Eap-features mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-> features > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Eap-features mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > ************************* > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > and intended > > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > are addressed. > > If you have received this email in error please notify > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. > > > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been > > swept for the > > presence of computer viruses. > > ************************************************************** > > ************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Eap-features mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Eap-features mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. 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