Bah, IDEA would benefit from less feedback, if you ask me (yesyes, I know
nobody is).

One advantage of newsgroups is what others cite as a disadvantage, you'd
have to go out and read them, therefore people won't feel obliged to pipe in
with whimsical requests all the time.

An email to news gateway would be a good solution, since I do empathise with
the firewall issues and that few corporations will allow NNTP access to the
outside.

Hani

On 20/4/02 8:08 am, "Andrew Timberlake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to add that I also prefer email lists to newsgroups.
> I allows me to monitor interaction throughout the day in a reactive
> manner.
> Personally I would be less inclined to read the messages on a news
> server that the way I can currently glance over every mail that filters
> through my mail box. This allows me to read and conribute with every
> minor break throughout the day.
> 
> This is all said to allow the developers to best access the needs of
> their customer base.
> 
> Their primary goal must be to get the most and best feedback to make the
> best product.
> This is my view on the best way to get the most feedback.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 23:11, Robert Hedin wrote:
>> Let me preface this with the fact that I have, personally, licensed and paid
>> for IntelliJ and have planned on shifting my company's development group to
>> using it as well.
>> 
>> That said, I am not in favour of having sole access to the kinds of
>> information provided for by the existing mailing lists converted to news
>> groups.
>> 
>> Currently, the mailing list is proactive- that is, if someone has a problem,
>> bug, fix, whatever I am notified with some semblance of timeliness. A
>> message shows up in my in-box, is appropriately routed automatically to an
>> IntelliJ folder and is flagged for me to look at. If I am busy, this still
>> happens in the background. I can get an idea of the severity of problems in
>> a given release by watching the number of new mails go up. This is very
>> easy, and keeps me informed in a very timely manner.
>> 
>> Conversely, sole access via news groups is reactive. In order to access the
>> news groups I have to physically make an effort to do so. In a worse case
>> scenario, I may have to wait until I am home and able to access the news
>> feed. This means that there is a good chance I won't check, simply because
>> the last thing I want to do when I stop working is get on the computer yet
>> again.
>> 
>> Speaking from personal experience, I tend to review news groups religiously
>> at first, then stop due to the extra hassle and time it takes. I,
>> personally, have no problem keeping all my email archived, including those
>> from mailing lists, and using that as a first stop to finding answers to
>> problems.
>> 
>> Bear in mind that I am not saying that you shouldn't have a newsgroup, only
>> that I would prefer that it not replace the current mailing lists, but
>> rather act as a different means of accessing the exact same information.
>> 
>> rob.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eugene Belyaev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:49 PM
>> Subject: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We now have a news server located at news.intellij.net which has a lot
>>> of newsgroups.  We are planning to shift the main discussion traffic
>>> there from the eap-list and eap-features mailing lists.
>>> 
>>> Please use the newsgroups instead of the mailing lists!
>>> 
>>> The groups related to IntelliJ EAP are:
>>> 
>>> jetbrains.intellij.eap.general
>>> jetbrains.intellij.eap.bugs
>>> jetbrains.intellij.eap.features
>>> jetbrains.intellij.eap.announcements
>>> jetbrains.intellij.eap.openapi
>>> 
>>> The names are self-descriptive, so please post there according to the
>>> names.
>>> 
>>> The announcement groups are read-only.
>>> 
>>> We will have both mailing lists synchronized for some time with the
>>> eap.bugs and eap.features newsgroups.  However, please notice that
>>> mailman (the mailing list software we use) does not form discussion
>>> threads with the newgroup server for messages posted to the mailing
>>> list.  So it's not recommended to post to the mailing lists if possible.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Eugene Belyaev
>>> JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software
>>> http://www.intellij.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure"
>>> 
>>> 
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