Re: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups

[Robert Hedin]

Title: RE: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups

Sorry to keep this going but just had to reply to this:   You might want to re-read several of the posts regarding this. What I am concerned with is   (a) I have paid for and licensed IDEA and have PO's to license more. The primary line of support is the EAP mailing list. Yes you can send an email to support@ but in emails I have received, they pointed me to the EAP mailing list. Since I cannot access newsgroups, that effectively makes IntelliJ unsupported since I lose the benefit of everyone else's problems and solutions.   (b) I would dearly like JetBrains to build software, and only have to worry about building software. By your argument, they shouldn't waste time with setting up a news server since that takes away from building software! (that was sarcasm, by the way).   To re-iterate my point: I don't care if they have a news server. A News Server could be great. All I am asking is to not take away something that already works, and maintain both-- preferably so that emails get posted to the newsgroup and that newsgroup entries get sent as mail.   Thanks!   rob.         ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Shaw To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: RE: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups Give these guys a break!!!  This is the best IDE in the world and you're complaining about having to read a newsgroup??  Get over it and let them build software!   -----Original Message----- From: Liu, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:53 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups   I would say that I agree with Robert on this issue.  I also represent a team of at least 15 Java developers that uses IDEA on the daily basis.  Newsgroup takes away a lot of the nice features of email.  Please kindly reconsider this. Thanks, Mike Liu    -----Original Message----- From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of Robert Hedin Sent:   Friday, April 19, 2002 2:12 PM To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:        Re: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups Let me preface this with the fact that I have, personally, licensed and paid for IntelliJ and have planned on shifting my company's development group to using it as well. That said, I am not in favour of having sole access to the kinds of information provided for by the existing mailing lists converted to news groups. Currently, the mailing list is proactive- that is, if someone has a problem, bug, fix, whatever I am notified with some semblance of timeliness. A message shows up in my in-box, is appropriately routed automatically to an IntelliJ folder and is flagged for me to look at. If I am busy, this still happens in the background. I can get an idea of the severity of problems in a given release by watching the number of new mails go up. This is very easy, and keeps me informed in a very timely manner. Conversely, sole access via news groups is reactive. In order to access the news groups I have to physically make an effort to do so. In a worse case scenario, I may have to wait until I am home and able to access the news feed. This means that there is a good chance I won't check, simply because the last thing I want to do when I stop working is get on the computer yet again. Speaking from personal experience, I tend to review news groups religiously at first, then stop due to the extra hassle and time it takes. I, personally, have no problem keeping all my email archived, including those from mailing lists, and using that as a first stop to finding answers to problems. Bear in mind that I am not saying that you shouldn't have a newsgroup, only that I would prefer that it not replace the current mailing lists, but rather act as a different means of accessing the exact same information. rob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Belyaev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: [Eap-list] IMPORTANT: Newsgroups   > Hi all, > > We now have a news server located at news.intellij.net which has a lot > of newsgroups.  We are planning to shift the main discussion traffic > there from the eap-list and eap-features mailing lists. > > Please use the newsgroups instead of the mailing lists! > > The groups related to IntelliJ EAP are: > > jetbrains.intellij.eap.general > jetbrains.intellij.eap.bugs > jetbrains.intellij.eap.features > jetbrains.intellij.eap.announcements > jetbrains.intellij.eap.openapi > > The names are self-descriptive, so please post there according to the > names. > > The announcement groups are read-only. > > We will have both mailing lists synchronized for some time with the > eap.bugs and eap.features newsgroups.  However, please notice that > mailman (the mailing list software we use) does not form discussion > threads with the newgroup server for messages posted to the mailing > list.  So it's not recommended to post to the mailing lists if possible. > > Best regards, > > Eugene Belyaev > JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software > http://www.intellij.com > "Develop with pleasure" > > > _______________________________________________ > Eap-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list >   _______________________________________________ Eap-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list