Mary et al:
             Okay, I'm a sexist.  ECOFEM's resident sexist, available for 
        recreational bashing.

        Now that we have that established, let's get to the heart of the 
        matter.  (By the way, what is the definition of "essentialism"?)

        At this point, I'm totally confused.  ECOFEM is what, bringing the 
        insights of feminism to environmental philosophy?  What is 
        feminism?  Doesn't it hinge on the differences between men and 
        women?  But when I bring up differences, y'all (you guys? - what's 
        politically correct here?) tell me not to emphasize the 
        differences, that we're all the same.

        If men aren't the prototypes that feminists are patterning 
        themselves after, then why are they distinctively acting like men?  
        Feminists clearly want to do everything men do (and, with few 
        exceptions, I agree), but a lot of the things men do, like boxing, 
        are clearly masculine.  And, frankly, dumb.

        If we can't look at feminine characteristics, like nurturing, to 
        help with the environmental philosophy, then where's the "FEM" in 
        ECOFEM?

        Feminists seem to be copying the domineering characteristic of men. 
        (It's very difficult to talk to hardcore feminists.)  I think 
        that's a mistake.  Y'all (you persons? you folks?) should try to 
        replace the mean system that men have put in place with something 
        better, like the partnership model Riane Eisler talked about.  Get 
        into high office (and you are making progress, although feminists 
        have lost the support of many women in America) and CHANGE things.  
        Don't become Margaret Thatchers and Jean Kirkpatricks.

        A lot of women in America don't WANT to be like men.  That's one 
        reason ERA failed.  Biologically, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.  Cold, 
        hard fact.

        So here's a paradox.  Scientifically, people are not the same.  But 
        our moral code establishes that we are equal.  It's clearly a very 
        bad idea to let books like "The Bell Curve" drive public policy.  
        Absolutely no doubt in my mind.  We need to avoid racism, sexism, 
        and all forms of tribalism.  (Someone recently posted that 
        "polarization is good."  I couldn't disagree more.  Polarization 
        causes fights, and we should avoid it.  Heck, even the advocacy 
        form of our legal system leads to outright lies in court, because 
        each attorney is focused on winning.  How do you get justice from 
        lies?)

        How can we sort this out?  Let's not throw away all the biological 
        differences and tendencies - some of them, like love and caring and 
        needing each other, are good.  And downright necessary in this 
        crazy world.  Everybody wants to be independent, but we're NOT. Six 
        billion people simply cannot go back to the way things were 10,000 
        years ago.

        Let's deal with the paradox, and try to reach consensus on which 
        biological realities we'll let dictate things, and which (like 
        differences in skin color) we'll ignore.  Being "colorblind," for 
        example, is an excellent unscientific principle to have.  [By the 
        way, I'm the Affirmative Action/EEO rep for 186 people in my 
        Division.  I HAVE to stay up on the AA debate.  Which is another 
        job related aspect of ECOFEM.  I'd like to hear y'all's (you 
        humans'? you cybermanifestations'?) thoughts on AA/EEO.]

        Ignoring all differences, though, is impossible and unhealthy.  
        Recognizing differences in ability is very important for sorting 
        out the myriad jobs that have to be done for civilization to 
        continue and prosper.  And, damn it, womyn tend to have a better 
        approach to environmental protection, and I want to follow that 
        approach.
                                                aVr
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P.S.    Good point on the entropy thing.  I didn't mean to say that life 
        violates the Laws of Thermodynamics; just that it works at odds 
        with them.  Life does an incredible job of making order out of 
        chaos, but ultimately depends on a continuous flow of energy from 
        the sun.

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