also Re. "stealing from websites" - I just like the original title more.

Here is the test:

you are invited to give a prestigious lecture and your options are:
(1) deliver the talk to 10 wealthy people behind closed doors and get paid 
$1000; or
(2) talk in an auditorium packed with 5000 people who are eager to hear you but you do it for free.

What's your choice? If your choice is (1), read not further and delete this message. We are on different pages and need to spend many more hours discussing to get any closer in our world views.

David Duffy hits the nail right on the head:
"as scientists we need to think about how to keep the web
the subversive place it was, a place to exchange information, not
just to make a profit."

People are obsessed with profits. Unfortunately that is what we pass on to our students. These days they are much more interested in credits and degrees than in the joy of studying and learning. I've been offering an on-line interactive course on modeling that would teach students system dynamics and modeling, but will not give any university credit, just a certificate from me. Over the past 10 years I've had less than a dozen students who started it and only one (sic!) student who actually completed the course and got his certificate. Several hundreds took the course when it was offered through a university.

Learning is no longer for knowledge - it's only for credentials. Teachers used to be respected by students. Now they are service providers. Students in USA are clients, who pay for the service. And the client is always right. Therefore the grade inflation.

Knowledge and information is a different kind of capital. Folks from the open source community have already figured that out a long time ago. It's called "gift economy". You prosper and get respect from sharing and giving away.

There is a huge difference between downloading an image or paper from a web site and stealing a box of cigars from a shop.

1. Cigars are in a shop and for sale. There is a price tag and a clear procedure for purchasing them.

2. More important, as Jane already noted: When you take that box of cigars from the shop, they are no longer there. You took them and they are gone for anybody else to use. With files it does not matter how many downloads occurred - the files are still there nice and intact for others to use. Information does not get destroyed when it's used. That's the beauty of information.

So information is perfect for sharing and giving away. The more you give it away, the more you are left with, since you get feedback and learn yourself from the process.

Copyright laws and protectionism are like boulders in the stream. They may be a nuisance, but they are not going to stop the flow. We will always find a good Canadian to send us the file from Canada.

Cheers,
Alexey
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