if it was so good, howcome only jcp uses it? at least they recognize that they have a potential problem with the *only size code.
Pete Austin wrote: > Yeah, but I remember the first time I printed one of those to a screen. In > the mid-80's, working with version 2003. The BEL character was a ^g, and > literally (in that day) rang the printer's 'bell'. Well, when printed, the > computer beeped. For about 5 minutes. My co-workers were laughing..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > D. Bligh > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:30 PM > To: 'Leah Halpin'; 'Brian Lehrhoff'; 'Greg Knowles' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] delimiters issues > > Leah, et al, > > > > No. > > > > I personally like the BEL character as an element separator. The chances are > extremely slim that a user will enter that on the keyboard. > > > > Gary > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leah > Halpin > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:19 PM > To: Brian Lehrhoff; Greg Knowles > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] delimiters issues > > > > but here's the question, are delimiters "data"? VANs will change them with > regularity, they do not exist in the actual data files, only in the > translated EDI data, they can even be non-printable and they can be changed > in any decent translator without regard to the "data" at all, in fact, my > guess is this whole thing started because the EDI was not set up in > conjunction with the business who would have said, if asked, "oh, yeah, we > use * in our files all the time". > > Oh, if only someone had an opinion on this. > > Leah > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Lehrhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:blehrhof%40cybernex.net> > net> > To: Greg Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:gmkhome%40optonline.net> net> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> com > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:03:27 PM > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] delimiters issues > > never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, > > never, never, never, never > > change the data. you should know better! does the mailman read your > > magazines before he > > delivers them? and, under sox, you probably can't even look at the > > production data. it's a new > > world out there. and, if you reject the data, you can't repair and > > remap it ... your partner gets > > to resend it. this is where use of a van is good (they can filter the > > data in network) or bad > > (ya gotta pay to send the data twice. i hope it's not an 832 or 852.) > > consider yourself smacked. > > Greg Knowles wrote: > > >> We were discussing a similar problem the other day. >> > > >> How do folks feel about changing the data? (inbound or outbound) >> > > >> I am concerned about controllership/ SOX/audit/ finger-pointing issues >> > > >> and always try NOT to change the data! (which of course, ignores the >> > inherent change-ness > > >> of mapping) >> > > > > >> Thanks, >> > > >> Greg Knowles >> > > >> EDI Project Leader, GE Supply >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of >> > Dale Marthaller > > >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:17 PM >> > > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com >> > > >> Subject: RE: [EDI-L] delimiters issues >> > > > > > > > > >> We also utilize an outbound preprocessor that removes all possible >> > > >> delimiters from the data stream. >> > > > > > > >> Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779 >> > > > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> > > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >> > [mailto:EDI- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com] On Behalf Of >> > > >> Samantha Scott >> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:35 AM >> > > >> To: Art Douglas >> > > >> Cc: Brian Lehrhoff; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > com > > >> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] delimiters issues >> > > > > >> Hey and that's just with my morning coffee in me. I'm actually much >> > > >> nicer >> > > >> after a beer or two >> > > > > >> On 1/29/07, Art Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:acd%40ix.netcom> . >> > <mailto:acd% 40ix.netcom. com> com > > >> <mailto:acd% 40ix.netcom. com> >> > > > > >>> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> It is good go flush out those of our number that have a violent >>> > > >>> temperament. >>> > > >>> Brian and Sam should be lots of fun at our first list-wide party. ;) >>> > > > > >>> PremKumar, you need to decide which of the two uses for asterisk you >>> > > > > >> wish >> > > > > >>> to >>> > > >>> support. Rather than running a pre-processor on outbound data, which >>> > > >>> changes the data and makes the EDI guy responsible for content, change >>> > > > > >> the >> > > > > >>> delimiter. This goes for any level delimiter in the message that might >>> > > > > >> be >> > > > > >>> used in the data. For inbound, just reject the message, contact the TP >>> > > > > >> and >> > > > > >>> negotiate with them to change the contents or the delimiter. >>> > > > > >>> Art Douglas >>> > > >>> Chief Consultant >>> > > >>> Blackwater Network >>> > > >>> 877-464-8915 >>> > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com> [mailto: >> > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com <mailto:EDI- >>> > L%40yahoogroups. com> > > > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com>] On Behalf Of >> > > > > >>> Brian Lehrhoff >>> > > >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:05 AM >>> > > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com> >> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] delimiters issues >>> > > > > >>> slap the idiot who set it up that way, they should have know better. >>> > > > > >>> Brian Lehrhoff >>> > > >>> EDI Consultant >>> > > >>> 201-913-4506 >>> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> > > >>> From: "Hodges, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:chodges% 40cswg.com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:chodges% 40cswg.com> >> > > >> <chodges%40cswg. com>> >> > > > > >>> To: Samantha Scott <mossmuncher@ <mailto:mossmuncher %40gmail. com> >>> > gmail.com > > > > >> <mailto:mossmuncher %40gmail. com> <mossmuncher% 40gmail.com> >; >> > > > > >>> premkumar.j >>> > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:premj% 40object- frontier. com> frontier.com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:premj% 40object- frontier. com> >> > > >> <premj%40object- frontier. com>> >> > > > > >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com> >> > > > > >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:47:23 AM >>> > > >>> Subject: RE: [EDI-L] delimiters issues >>> > > > > >>> I wouldn't suggest you slap your trading partner but a good hard >>> > > > > >> shaking >> > > > > >>> isn't out of the question. >>> > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com> [mailto: >> > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com <mailto:EDI- >>> > L%40yahoogroups. com> > > > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com>] On Behalf Of >> > > > > >>> Samantha Scott >>> > > >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:41 AM >>> > > >>> To: premkumar.j >>> > > >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> com >>> > > > > >> <mailto:EDI- L%40yahoogroups. com> >> > > >> <EDI-L%40yahoogroup s.com> >> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] delimiters issues >>> > > > > >>> Slap your trading partner and tell them to tell their customer service >>> > > >>> people to QUIT USING THE "*" or any other stupid special notation in >>> > > >>> their text fields. >>> > > > > >>> On 1/29/07, premkumar.j <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:premj% 40object- >>> frontier. >>> > com> frontier.com > > > > >> <mailto:premj% 40object- frontier. com> <premj%40object- frontier. com> >> > > > > >>> <mailto:premj% <premj%25>40object- frontier. com> > wrote: >>> > > > > >>>> Hi >>>> > > > > >>>> If we have Record delimiter as ( * ) and somewhere in the MSG >>>> > > > > >> segment >> > > > > >>>> we have the same type of delimter appearing in the text. What will >>>> > > > > >> be >> > > > > >>>> the remedy... >>>> > > > > >>>> Example >>>> > > > > >>>> RDEL ( Record delimiter) = ( * ) >>>> > > > > >>>> ST~850~0001* >>>> > > > > >>>> MSG~10-20~This is your sample data 128*38* >>>> > > > > >>>> Here 128*38 is the value but it has record delimiter. 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