Mike > However, I personally > know most of the parties involved and take exception to your statement > that the efforts of the X12 membership are being "abused".
How much are you getting paid for contributing your expertise to the X12 maintenance? (I suspect zero) How much is Doug being paid? (I suspect zero) How much is the President of DISA being paid? (Well over $200.000 9 years ago). 'Abused' was the best word I could find. Perhaps it was too mild ;-) > ----------------------------------------- > Michael C. Rawlins, Senior Software Engineer, GXS > Sent from personal account > > On 7/2/2013 12:06 PM, Earl Wertheimer wrote: > > > > Doug > > > > > We have had this discussion before, free vs. fee. I don't want us to > > head > > > down that rabbit hole again. > > > > You call it a rabbit hole. I would call it inevitable. > > > > > Bill's original post was concerning a change in pricing policy. > > > > Yes. I am reminded of the ill-fated decision to start sending invoices > > for UPC > > codes many years ago. > > http://www.barcodestalk.com/ucc-settlement > > > > My experiences with ECCC (Canadian branch of GS1) were not much better. > > > > A client had used a UPC prefix many years ago, but had 'forgotten' it. > > I had a > > record of it, but wanted confirmation. I contacted ECCC and asked them > > if they > > would tell the client what their UPC prefix was, so that they could > > start using > > it. THEY REFUSED. They said that the client would have to join ECCC and > > purchase a new code. I send a complaint to GS1. They ignored it. > > > > > However, you state that you have never purchased the X12 Standard. I am > > > curious, how do you write your EDI software without the base standard? > > > > In my small corner of EDI, all the specifications are published by the > > various > > Trading Partners. After doing a few dozen 210 or 810 documents, it > > doesn't > > require the published spec to figure out what's required and see what the > > common denominators are. > > > > Having the base standard is pretty useless because > > a) Most of it is not used > > b) If a Partner does something non-standard, what are you going to do? > > c) Partners publish their own requirements. > > d) the new version is almost identical to the previous version > > e) there are so many different interpretations and implementations of > > the base > > standard, that paying for it is a waste. > > > > Finally, I don't charge $60,000 for my software. > > > > I certainly appreciate the time and effort that goes into maintaining the > > standard, but your efforts are being abused. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Earl Wertheimer [mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:earlw%40spe-edi.com>] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:05 AM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com>; Mike Rawlins > > > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Standards price change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > I'm curious, if you don't mind: How many of you on this list routinely > > > > purchase the latest version of the X12 standard every year. > > > > > > Never bought it. > > > > > > The revenue goes to support inflated salaries and overpriced rents. > > > > > > In the few years that I saw DISAs financial records, the primary > > expense was > > > > > > salaries and benefits. > > > > > > Like any other bureaucratic entity, DISA exists to provide nice jobs > > for its > > > > > > employees. > > > > > > The X12 standard should be free. > > > > > > > On 6/28/2013 11:12 AM, Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Klaus, so you think if I buy the CD and load the codes into my > > > > > business application, I am liable for the maintenance fee? Even if I > > > > > never use the CD again. > > > > > > > > > > That's my reading of the terms, since your business application is a > > > > > derivative of the product (the CD content). I don't agree with this > > > > > type of licensing and lucky for me, my products and services are > > > > > UN/EDIFACT based. > > > > > > > > > > Since we have a few X12'ers on this list, I am sure they can explain > > > > > in detail the implication of this new pricing scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > > > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > > > > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: > > > <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! 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