Hi Avery, The form has now been updated. As a mass message was sent, we did not want to remove it, to avoid a scenario in which someone who is interested in sign up cannot find the form.
As for the names of supporters for the UG to be recognized by AffCom -- they have not been "removed"; We're in the process of revamping the UG's page, and the list of initial supporters will be available in an internal page soon. Best, Shani. ----------------------------------------------- Shani Evenstein Sigalov EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation. Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group. Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society. Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda. +972-525640648 On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 9:48 PM Avery Jensen <averydjen...@gmail.com> wrote: > It looks like this form is linked from the front page of the user group and > it is still collecting personal data. Should it be removed? There are > probably other people who have gotten talk page notifications and are not > on this mailing list. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group > > I see also the names of the people who signed up for the project have all > been removed. Maybe this is why I didn't get any board election > notifications from this user group. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group&diff=next&oldid=18560292 > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM Shani Evenstein <shani.e...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Of course. > > > > Shani. > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:48 Andrew Leung, <andrewcle...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > When you resend the revised form, can you delete all of the existing > data > > > submitted under the previous version to ensure that unneeded > information > > > won't be stored? > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > Sent from my smartphone. Apologies for any typos. > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Shani Evenstein <shani.e...@gmail.com> > > > Date: 2018-11-12 1:44 PM (GMT-05:00) > > > To: Education ML <education@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] join user group without google > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > There seems to be some misunderstanding -- > > > * We are recognized by AffCom. The details we requested are for a > future > > > option we might want to persue, of refistering as a charity *outside* > the > > > Wikimedia movement. > > > * Details are not posted to this mailing list, but rather to a closed > and > > > private google form, which is only availabe to 2 people: the membership > > > admin (Filip) and the chair (me). > > > * Some details were asked so if we decide to apply to become a charity, > > we > > > will already have the details; while other details are meant to help us > > > connect the right people to the right people, when newcomers approach > us. > > > * There is precedent for asking such details with both chapters & the > > > WikiProject Medicine User Group, which is similar in acrivity to our > UG. > > > * That said, as this is concerning people, the board will reconsider > > > changing the form. The idea is to make it easy to participate, not > > > difficult. If we end up deciding to register as a charity outside the > WM > > > Movement, we'll ask for more details. > > > > > > So stay tuned. Filip will send a new version of the form in the coming > > > week. > > > > > > Best, > > > Shani. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:57 Avery Jensen, <averydjen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > I do not understand why they are asking people for personal data at > > all. > > > > > > > > The Wikimedia Foundation has requirements for people with access to > > > > personal information. > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy > > > > > > > > It looks like they want to apply for official recognition from the > > > > affiliations committee. Groups are not required to do this, but it > has > > > > some advantages, like using the trademarks. The application > requires " > > > two > > > > primary contacts willing to identify themselves with the Wikimedia > > > > Foundation." https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups > > It > > > > also says if someone wants to form an official group, they can have > > > > "Affiliations Committee Liaison support during and after the approval > > > > process". If that is what they are trying to do, they need to have > > some > > > > advice about starting a group, so they do not cause the Wikimedia > > > > Foundation some legal problem. > > > > > > > > I would also strongly recommend that people not post their phone > > numbers > > > to > > > > this list. Unlike the Wikimedia projects, information on a mailing > > list > > > > cannot be removed and is indexed by search engines. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:59 AM Alexandre Hocquet < > > > > alexandre.hocq...@univ-lorraine.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 12/11/2018 09:36, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > > > > > > I agree in that point. > > > > > > > > > > Although what points Ilario is relevant, my main concern (as Avery > > > > > points out too) is more the use of Google forms with *mandatory* > > fields > > > > > to fill than the privacy policy of the user group and/or the > "centre > > > for > > > > > Internet & society" (although I agree that more clarity on that > point > > > > > might help too) > > > > > > > > > > In short, if applying to membership means compulsory give away of > > > pieces > > > > > of information like phone numbers to Google, then I'm not in. > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, if google document it is, then the least would be to > > NOT > > > > > make the fields to fill up mandatory. > > > > > -- > > > > > *********************************************** > > > > > Alexandre Hocquet > > > > > > > > > > Université de Lorraine & Archives Henri Poincaré > > > > > alexandre.hocq...@univ-lorraine.fr > > > > > > > http://poincare.univ-lorraine.fr/fr/membre-titulaire/alexandre-hocquet > > > > > *********************************************** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Education mailing list > > > > > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Education mailing list > > > > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Education mailing list > > > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Education mailing list > > > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
