> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rickard �berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: rumour: IBM considering opening WebSphere SE source
>
>
> Ok, I'll bite :-)
>
> paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/21/000821hnwebsphere.xml
>
> <flamebait>
>
> Soooooo... IBM may OpenSource WS SE? And the reason would to prevent MS,
> Sun, et al. from gaining dominance from using a core technology?
>
> Right. *cough*bullshit*cough*
>
> First of all, we are talking about Standard Edition. And, what is that
> exactly? Mostly it's the web-stuff (a large part of which is Apache,
> which already is OS BTW), but although the article wants us to believe
> they'll OS the EJB stuff as well, EJB support is not in the Standard
> Edition.
>
> So, they're giving away stuff that is mostly OpenSource anyway. How
> nice.
>
> What's the gotcha? Well, they have the Tivoli and Visual Age integration
> done, so you'd want to buy that for administration and development
> ('cause I don't think that will be OpenSource..). Also, once you want to
> do real stuff (i.e. EJB) you would most likely want to upgrade to
> Advanced Edition. Which costs money. Talk about rat poison. But it
> looked nice to start with, right?
>
> Hence, the comment about an OpenSource WebSphere making EJB commodity
> level is pure BS. IMNSHO we at jBoss are way ahead of them in that
> endeavour (see http://www.jboss.org/game_over.htm). A product such as
> WebSphere which is very very rarely mentioned in the same sentence as
> the word "excellent" is not likely to pull that off. Sorry guys, but
> it's not gonna happen that way.
> (which many seem to realize, because you would be amazed by the number
> of ex-EJB-vendor-employees that help us out currently. Leave the boat
> while its still sinking and not at the bottom of the ocean guys)
>
> So no, IBM OpenSourcing WebSphere Standard Edition is not going to make
> other vendors consider OpenSource. They are OpenSourcing because
> otherwise they will die. They need to have something to hook people into
> their sales and marketing spiral, and SE is the perfect "freebie".
>
> I mean, really?? Is the word "customer oriented" not popular anymore? Is
> "shareholder oriented" the game of the day?
>
> Blah.
>
> We have the people.
> We have the technology.
> We have the vision.
> We have the ideas.
> And for each day each of these grow stronger, almost exponentially.
And we have Rickard Oberg making one hell of a noise:)
chill kid, ambition is great, but we are not there yet
show some respect for Big Blue will you? they're big:)
PLgC
marc
>
> regards,
> Rickard
>
> ps oh, almost forgot </flamebait>. Fire away 8-)
>
> --
> Rickard �berg
>
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