<ok, you anticipated flaming>
Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes the greatest advocates of "openness"
are themselves rather "closed" minded at times.
</ok, you anticipated flaming>
- Sheldon Wosnick, IBM and proud of it...
>From: marc fleury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: rumour: IBM considering opening WebSphere SE source
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:58:21 -0700
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rickard �berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:23 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: rumour: IBM considering opening WebSphere SE source
> >
> >
> > Ok, I'll bite :-)
> >
> > paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/21/000821hnwebsphere.xml
> >
> > <flamebait>
> >
> > Soooooo... IBM may OpenSource WS SE? And the reason would to prevent MS,
> > Sun, et al. from gaining dominance from using a core technology?
> >
> > Right. *cough*bullshit*cough*
> >
> > First of all, we are talking about Standard Edition. And, what is that
> > exactly? Mostly it's the web-stuff (a large part of which is Apache,
> > which already is OS BTW), but although the article wants us to believe
> > they'll OS the EJB stuff as well, EJB support is not in the Standard
> > Edition.
> >
> > So, they're giving away stuff that is mostly OpenSource anyway. How
> > nice.
> >
> > What's the gotcha? Well, they have the Tivoli and Visual Age integration
> > done, so you'd want to buy that for administration and development
> > ('cause I don't think that will be OpenSource..). Also, once you want to
> > do real stuff (i.e. EJB) you would most likely want to upgrade to
> > Advanced Edition. Which costs money. Talk about rat poison. But it
> > looked nice to start with, right?
> >
> > Hence, the comment about an OpenSource WebSphere making EJB commodity
> > level is pure BS. IMNSHO we at jBoss are way ahead of them in that
> > endeavour (see http://www.jboss.org/game_over.htm). A product such as
> > WebSphere which is very very rarely mentioned in the same sentence as
> > the word "excellent" is not likely to pull that off. Sorry guys, but
> > it's not gonna happen that way.
> > (which many seem to realize, because you would be amazed by the number
> > of ex-EJB-vendor-employees that help us out currently. Leave the boat
> > while its still sinking and not at the bottom of the ocean guys)
> >
> > So no, IBM OpenSourcing WebSphere Standard Edition is not going to make
> > other vendors consider OpenSource. They are OpenSourcing because
> > otherwise they will die. They need to have something to hook people into
> > their sales and marketing spiral, and SE is the perfect "freebie".
> >
> > I mean, really?? Is the word "customer oriented" not popular anymore? Is
> > "shareholder oriented" the game of the day?
> >
> > Blah.
> >
> > We have the people.
> > We have the technology.
> > We have the vision.
> > We have the ideas.
> > And for each day each of these grow stronger, almost exponentially.
>
>And we have Rickard Oberg making one hell of a noise:)
>chill kid, ambition is great, but we are not there yet
>show some respect for Big Blue will you? they're big:)
>
>PLgC
>marc
>
> >
> > regards,
> > Rickard
> >
> > ps oh, almost forgot </flamebait>. Fire away 8-)
> >
> > --
> > Rickard �berg
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.telkel.com
> > http://www.jboss.org
> > http://www.dreambean.com
> >
>
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