I will bite too.... Sorry for the OT nature...
If you have followed the open source movement for the past couple of years,
you will find, that off the big corporations, i.e. IBM, Sun, Oracle,
Microsoft, BEA etc.. etc... IBM have possibly done the most for Open Source.
Their commitment to Linux and Open Source in general has been remarkable.
What a turnaround...
I think their commitment has practically shamed other big corps to follow
them.
Consider that they discarded their own web server and adopted Apache. They
contributed their superb XML parser to the Apache foundation and their SOAP
implementation too. Their Linux JDK though not OS, has made Linux a good
platform for Java development and pratically forced SUN to release one for
Linux. Not to mentioned Jikes.
Now, with WAS SE coming out as OS, AE can't be far away. As a member of the
Open Source movement yourself, you should be welcoming them .... It is only
going to benefit you.
And as Marc has quit succinctly mentioned, they are BIG !!!
I know folks in the IBM labs mention that as soon as they sort out most of
the IP issues, more s/w is to follow.
>From me, IBM, my congratulations.
BTW, with WAS SE, if you don't need Tivoli or if you don't want to use VAJ,
then don't use them. They are not necessary for WAS SE to run, administer or
develop to.
-- Aravind
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rickard �berg
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2000 02:23
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: rumour: IBM considering opening WebSphere SE source
>
>
> Ok, I'll bite :-)
>
> paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/21/000821hnwebsphere.xml
>
> <flamebait>
>
> Soooooo... IBM may OpenSource WS SE? And the reason would to prevent MS,
> Sun, et al. from gaining dominance from using a core technology?
>
> Right. *cough*bullshit*cough*
>
> First of all, we are talking about Standard Edition. And, what is that
> exactly? Mostly it's the web-stuff (a large part of which is Apache,
> which already is OS BTW), but although the article wants us to believe
> they'll OS the EJB stuff as well, EJB support is not in the Standard
> Edition.
>
> So, they're giving away stuff that is mostly OpenSource anyway. How
> nice.
>
> What's the gotcha? Well, they have the Tivoli and Visual Age integration
> done, so you'd want to buy that for administration and development
> ('cause I don't think that will be OpenSource..). Also, once you want to
> do real stuff (i.e. EJB) you would most likely want to upgrade to
> Advanced Edition. Which costs money. Talk about rat poison. But it
> looked nice to start with, right?
>
> Hence, the comment about an OpenSource WebSphere making EJB commodity
> level is pure BS. IMNSHO we at jBoss are way ahead of them in that
> endeavour (see http://www.jboss.org/game_over.htm). A product such as
> WebSphere which is very very rarely mentioned in the same sentence as
> the word "excellent" is not likely to pull that off. Sorry guys, but
> it's not gonna happen that way.
> (which many seem to realize, because you would be amazed by the number
> of ex-EJB-vendor-employees that help us out currently. Leave the boat
> while its still sinking and not at the bottom of the ocean guys)
>
> So no, IBM OpenSourcing WebSphere Standard Edition is not going to make
> other vendors consider OpenSource. They are OpenSourcing because
> otherwise they will die. They need to have something to hook people into
> their sales and marketing spiral, and SE is the perfect "freebie".
>
> I mean, really?? Is the word "customer oriented" not popular anymore? Is
> "shareholder oriented" the game of the day?
>
> Blah.
>
> We have the people.
> We have the technology.
> We have the vision.
> We have the ideas.
> And for each day each of these grow stronger, almost exponentially.
>
> regards,
> Rickard
>
> ps oh, almost forgot </flamebait>. Fire away 8-)
>
> --
> Rickard �berg
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