On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:57:01 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
> On 9/29/08, Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
Quoting Michael Allan:
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> We've coded something like that already, for a similar purpose. I'm
> not sure our voting mechanism always selects the Condorcet winner (?).
> But is this roughly what you are thinking?
>
> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.xht
>
> (The code is open source. So the voting UI and count engine could be
> modified to support any flavour of Condorcet.)
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When there is a CW, with no cycles, I claim there should be a
defensible claim that this is true Condorcet, including permission
for voters to do a write-in on the ballot.
When there is a cycle (3 or more in a near tie) there could be demos
of whatever resolution procedures please someone.
And, of course, the counting arrays must be correct and visible.
>>its purpose is to encourage thought
>>about Condorcet WITHOUT the thousand headaches that marriage would produce.
>>It would likely do better as a phantom election than as a phantom primary.
>
>
> It would be a real primary. Also, as I said, depending on the rules,
> maybe the State would help fund it.
>
> However, I guess for State funding, you need to meet some support
> threshold first?
>
I stay with phantoms - go for more and you never get past the headaches.
So I see no reason why this election has to be a primary. Being a phantom
it could be either primary or general - general being closer to what you
seem to be thinking.
Being internet and of a votorola sort, outside aid such as state seems
non-essential - though always nice.
>
>> Permitting dropouts is less destructive than demanding unwilling
>>participation.
>
>
> You are just adding their name to the ballot.
You are measuring popularity. While I think they SHOULD not choke, seems
safer to let any drop out without complaining. With write-ins permitted
they can get voted for anyway (though not clear whether one ballot can
include more than one write-in - I think not).
>
>
>> BTW - write-ins SHOULD be permitted, as would be in a proper election.
>
>
> Ok, in fact, adding names could be described as an assistance for
> voters who would have wrote them in.
NOT an assistance - simply normal voting.
>
> Also, if it is an internet poll, you could have a rule that popular
> write-ins are added to the ballot on the fly.
>
I think NO such modification to ballots - simply count as write-ins.
>
>> Tolerating and admitting, without attempts at cancellation of bias, sounds
>>best to me - we are doing a demonstration rather than a true election.
>
>
> Maybe give both results.
>
No - see above.
>
>> Do need defense against one voter submitting multiple ballots - needs
>>thought.
>
>
> This is the bane of all internet polls. The normal block is to allow
> each IP to vote once.
>
> However, this doesn't really help as most home users don't have a fixed IP.
>
> You could try pre-registration. If you had enough money, you could
> send out invites to random people on the voting register.
>
> Once they are registered, you then have a set of people who are
> verified and they could change their vote online at will.
>
> This gives you a continuous election during the entire campaign.
>
So think, and do what is practical.
>
>>>The trick is to make it so that voters don't just see it as another poll.
>>>
>>
>> We are getting voters to practice doing Condorcet voting - should matter
>>little that the results are a poll rather than claiming the right to be
>>counted as true electing.
>
>
> Ok.
>
> However, if enough participate, the winner would be able to argue that
> he is at least one of the top-2. This is probably the second stage
> and for it to work some participation bias elimination would be
> needed.
>
Cannot stop such, but dangerous to be seen encouraging it.
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