On 2026-07-29 23:22, Daniel Colascione wrote:
An LLM would be the perfect tool for making changelog commits, BTW. I *hate* the things and over the years, I've kept a change local instead of bothering to itemize in a commit message all the changes git already records that I've done.

I agree on that, as I use locally running and free-software LLMs to generate descriptions of website pages, YouTube videos, etc. and it gives me great value, and similar is for commit messages.

Emacs is the tool for thinking and writing, its developers are some of the best programmers out there. Why ask Claude, of all things, made by Anthropic? It's not just a policy slip but it goes against everything free software stands for.

This idea that LLMs are crutch for poor developers isn't something you observe in the broader software world. You can hate LLMs all you want, but more is happening than slop. The Linux kernel derives tremendous value from LLM code review. Are Linux developers any less skilled than Emacs ones?

I don't know which information you use to think I hate LLMs. I am running it all time on my computer. Though in GNU project we strive to foster free software, and not to give examples how to use proprietary LLMs, see:

Who Does That Server Really Serve? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

There is no rule that any free software user should not use proprietary software. Yet we should not be mentioning on mailing list or pointing to non-free or Service as a Software Substitute, or SaaSS.

It's hard to watch the anti-AI sentiment brew here.

I can't see what you see. I do not see anti-LLM sentiment brew here. And I don't see any AI yet.

I see GNU project and FSF and developers being aware of copyright implications and in the process of getting conclusive statements and policy on that.

An individual may not care how to use LLM generated text and so may adopt the attitude "everything goes".

FSF and GNU project cannot, those are serious issues that impact possibly millions of people and their lives, and that is why there is urge to get the final conclusive policy on LLM generated code and contributions of such.

AI is not evil.

There is now 450 models on my devices. Guess what?! There is few of them evil. What you speak of "AI", is the language model outputting text or image by probability. No intelligence there. It can be very evil as it depends on the model authors.

You can say it's unethical appropriation of work; I say it's a boon to all mankind, an inversion of the Hobbesian war of all against all: AI is all teaching all. I see no incompatibility with free software. We'd do better trying to make models prioritize user freedom than trying to undo the future. Isn't free software supported to be about empowering users to control their own computing? An AI can generate personalized software on demand. What could be more freeing?

It is definitely bringing benefits, yet it is not good conflating utility with liberty. One thing is using the tool, other is being held hostage by the infrastructure that sustains it.

If the service is free as in beer but proprietary as in freedom, you are at the mercy of their Terms of Service. They can change the model, raise the price, or censor the output. A truly free software approach would allow you to spin up a local model, modify the weights, and run it offline. That is control. Using a SaaS LLM is just another form of "Service as a Software Substitute" (SaaSS).

Ownership: Do you own the output? Do you own the tool? So that is why legal questions are yet to be answered on that.

I also can't see a universe in which software gets rolled back to the blissful familiarity of 2022. If LLMs end up conflicting with copyright law, it's going to be copyright law that gets steamrolled. Do you really think that the past four years of tech is going to get rolled back in an orgy of copyright lawsuits? Come on. That's ridiculous.

To get steamrolled is oversimplification.

Bartz v. Anthropic (U.S. District Court, N.D. Cal.) Found that training AI on books is "fair use," but that Anthropic's storage of pirated books was unlawful. Led to a $1.5 billion settlement. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-approves-anthropics-15-billion-settlement-copyright-lawsuit-2026-07-20/?utm_source=ainews247.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ai_news_stories&utm_content=story_dashboard_id_262364

GEMA v. OpenAI (Munich I Regional Court, Germany) - The court ruled that memorization of copyrighted texts within an LLM model constitutes a reproduction under copyright law, and the TDM exception does not apply to this - https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/gema-vs-openai-ai-memorisation-reproduction-relevant-copyright-law-and-tdm-exception-does

Advance Local Media v. Cohere (U.S. District Court, S.D.N.Y.) - The court denied Cohere's motion to dismiss, allowing publishers' copyright infringement claims to proceed to trial. This case demonstrates that the fair-use defense is not a guaranteed win for AI companies. It allows the case to move forward and test these arguments in a new context with news publishers. https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/advance-local-media-llc-1094877471

Eschewing AI use on copyright grounds, and especially being so paranoid as to force-push to master to remove a tag, serves as much purpose as maintaining a stable of horses in case this newfangled automobile technology gets banned.

The horse/automobile analogy fails because cars didn't ingest every stable without permission, nor did they raise questions about who owns the destination.

The $1.5B Anthropic settlement and GEMA v. OpenAI ruling show copyright law isn't being "steamrolled"; it's actively shaping outcomes.

Force-pushing to remove a tag isn't Luddism but maintaining legal provenance and the GNU project has always been about choosing tools that respect freedom and not rejecting progress, but rejecting dependency.

--
Jean Louis

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