>>The reality is, all these nice UI features people have grown to love in 
>>OS 9 are not something that Apple tossed together in 6 months, or even a 
>>year... they are the culmination of work that started before the release 
>>of the Lisa. I don't know exactly what date Apple stared work on the GUI 
>>OS, but figure at least 1981. That means, the OS 9 UI was developed over 
>>the course of 20 years. And most of the great features that were added 
>>weren't an Apple invention, they were made by 3rd party people, and Apple 
>>either ripped them off or (more often) licensed the code.

>this *IS* my point entirely 
>OS X throws a good bit of 20 years of UI design and user feedback - out 
>the (preverbial) window

I think you missed my ENTIRE point here. OS X (as we know it today) is 
barely 2 years old. OS 9, and the UI that you love is 20 years old.

How can you POSSIBLY expect OS X to have every feature from OS 9 that you 
love, right now, right away. It takes time to put this stuff into place. 
Many things need other things to build off of. There is still foundation 
work being done, and Apple is addressing what they can as fast as they 
can, in the order they feel is best for all involved (sorry, but TWAIN 
scanner support is probably 100x more important to the general Mac 
community than WindowShade is... as well as some new gimicy sales 
features, after all if they can't sell Macs there's no point to any of 
this. So yes iTunes and its likes take top seat, because they generate 
more new sales than bringing back some older UI features will)

Yes, there will be some UI changes (such as the relocation of the close, 
minimize, and zoom boxes all to the same side). But I suspect that most 
everything people want to see make it back, will be back. (ie: spring 
loaded folders are back in 10.2, and I am sure windowshade is hot on its 
tail). And what doesn't make it back can be handled by 3rd party 
developers, just like almost all of them were at one point in the past. 
(Go ahead, bitch that you don't want 3rd party software, you want it 
rolled into the OS... and when Apple listens to you, they piss off a ton 
of 3rd party developers because they are stealing away their market... 
you should have SEEN the commotion iCal caused in some of the developer 
forums... So you can't please everyone. Right now Apple is trying to do 
the best it can to find a happy medium and please the most people it can, 
so they can generate the most sales they can)

-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>

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