>what will make every single installation work (85% of the time) - period, >no questions, no problems? Basic intelligence? Did you ever install a working Mac OS system from scratch and have it work without any issues even after you started to add applications, some of the installing WRONG system extensions for your OS version and language? 8.6 default install gave me type 10 errors on a similar machine in 1998. Don't get me started on type 11 errors that stayed well until 9.04 arrived. Stable my ass. Mac OS needed a wide assortment of tinkering to work properly. When it did, it was great, but as anyone who have been living at Macfixit <www.macfixit.com>, as I have since 1997 and who have fixed hundreds of Mac OS based Mac machines, a 85 percentage of working machines with many different applications was not the reality then, though certain versions have been better, namely 8.1, 8.6, 9.1 and the current 9.2.2. But if you study the archives at Macfixit (you'll need to be a subscriber unfortunately), you will be hard pressed to prove that Mac OS didn't have issues and was prone to instability in many many cases. That didn't stop Mac OS from being the best OS anyway IMHO. It still rocks for many things, like music, but the PC can do more music stuff at a time, something that only Mac OS X is or at least will be able compete with.
>>But when you start to attribute stuff to 10.2 that just isn't true or at >>least heavily distorted instead of focusing on real issues, >such as? About everything you've said. >you continue to 'complain' that I dont have (any) facts - yet do not >supply any. It's not my task to prove that there are no problems. You can't prove a negative anyway. It's your task to show by example from sources we can trust, that a problem exist, can be repeated on any similar Mac and are not present in OS 9 on the very same machine by most reports. You'd then have to rule out stuff like unsupported RAM and other hardware, before you'd have a case. As it stands now, most of what you blame OS X for, is untypical behaviour that few can repeat with the same version or are problems that you should expect, because unsupported hardware and similar. I certainly never heard about the problems you put forward to be widespread and almost a given, which you seem to imply and I've been using OS X since the public beta and spent far too many hours debating the merits and problems of the OS in too many forums. There are issues, but the ones you mention are rare. I do of course acknowledge that there are problems and the fact I don't have them doesn't prove you can'be havning them. However it shows that it's NOT necessarily OS X 10.2 that is acting up, but it could be a configuration or a hardware problem, a too old application version. It's no different from how it works in OS 9. You ought to go to websites like Macfixitforums, Macworld, Maccentral, Macosxhintsforums and so on to see if your OS X problems have solutions and also backtrace your steps to see if you done somethin stupid. You seem to not want to find them. I've been struggling with several less than optimal versions of OS X, just as I used to struggle now and then with old Mac OS, and I learned to solve the issues I've had. I know OS X need to be more developed, but 10.2 is good enough to use as your main OS if you have the hardware for it. I have a Powerbook G3 from 1998. I also disliked the GUI at first, but mainly for being slow. I don't find it slow anymore, except in a few situations, but then again Mac OS 9 was also slow in similar instances and OS X actually do better in many cases (think memory related problems). It's your unbridled praise of Mac OS 9 as being the epithome of stability, that gave you away as a troll, Chip. If you have stable Macs, I'm of course glad for you, but that's hardly been the case for a large amount of Mac users during the years. OS 9 made it a lot better, but I suggest you haven't given 10.2 a proper chance and that you haven't searched for other peoples experiences enough. If you look at these sites I mentioned above, you'll see that people don't seem to have any more problems with Mac OS X than people have or used to have with Mac OS 9. As always, people using Macs help out each other very well at places like those, even if some of the people in need are mindless dabblers that are masters of minconfigurating their machines, ignorant of relearning the OS, as always have been the case. If these people want a solution, usually they'll find one by asking for help and listen to more experienced users. I'd be willing to help you myself to solve your OS X problems, but you seem to have decided that they can't be solved and rather give X as bad a rap as you possibly can by stretching your limited experiences to be universal, which is sure way of guaranteeing that the valid issues you might have can't be solved. What a fruitful approach! That's a selffulfilling prophecy if I ever saw one. I have yet to see a realistic presentation of your problems in OS X and what you have done to try and solve them or to avoid them. Except for Emailer, this is not the right forum for that. I suggest Macfixitforums or Macosxhintsforums that are free to use. One thing I can tell you I did, was to install 10.2 from scratch. On the other hand my friend updated his 10.1.5 PB G4 without any issues. When it comes to specific Emailer problems in OS X, I think I have acknowledged the timeout problem, that skips the first account, when using modem and letting Emailer initiate the connection, but this problem doesn't seem to be unsolvable. I'm also uncertain what the ADSL problems might be but it sound to me to be no different from that Macs are and have been largely unsupported by ignorant ISPs. I have ADSL over Ethernet and I have absolutely zero problems with ADSL. But then I use version Emailer 2.0v3, which you have deemed to be unworthy of your time. Did you check out the Nisus mail app I mentioned? Did it work the way you'd like? Thank you for reading this far Micke Bystrom Project Manager Web & Idea Developer ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a mail message with a SUBJECT line of "unsubscribe" to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
