>so far - my experiences with Jaguar, and appearently those of many 
>others, is that it more closely resembles the refrigerator that fails to 
>keep things cold, then an annoying hum while working.

Oh God, here we go again with the "many others" jargon.  Still haven't 
gotten a single statistic -- not even a single person's NAME -- to back 
up that statement.  Just who are these "many" others?

So far, my experiences with your debating skills is that they more 
closely resemble the refrigerator that fails to keep things cold.

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