On Tuesday 29 March 2016 03:25:55 Neil Whelchel wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions. To me the tap
> is not the issue, a broken tap in a hole IS an issue, so it is all
> about not breaking the tap if the spindle faults out. As long as the
> axis stays slaved to the spindle, the tap can be removed by hand.
> There is not much point of restarting on the same hole, as that one
> can be completed by hand tap if needed. However, having just said
> that, I have found that since the axis slave operation starts on the
> index mark of the spindle encoder, I can actually tap a hole again,
> and with quite impressive results. I will look at motion.feed-inhibit,
> it looks promising. The docs say that it allows synchronized motion to
> complete, but it is unclear if it will work in the case of manually
> backing a tap out of a hole. I will report my findings. Thank you,
> -Neil-
>
I agree with 90% of that. Restarting the operation here at the 
WOWElectronics shop has generally not been practical because the tap has 
slipped in the chuck, or the whole chuck holding the tap has turned in 
the boring bar type holder I use to hold taps on the carriage of my toy 
lathe.  I lack the ability in a tap holder to grab the square rear end 
of the tap in a tool holder and positively prevent its moving.  If I had 
that problem solved, and I drive the tap to the starting position in my 
G33.1 wrapper, then a rehoming of the lathe should put it close enough 
to restart the hole if the spindle faults because the tap is bigger than 
the spindle can do w/o bogging down.  Editing the wrapper for a smaller 
peck so it doesn't trip off again of course.

Much the same problem exists on the G0704 as there is not a precision way 
to hold the tap there short of welding it into a tool holder, which 
would of coarse anneal the tap into some about as strong as a peep.

I broke a 3mm.5 tap the other day because that POS chuck that came with 
the g0704, with its taper mount, had so much runout it forced the tap 
sideways and snapped it off.  I measured the tapered section, finding 
the taper had a runnout of about 3 thou, but so did the chucks rear 
socket, so by knocking its adapter out, turning it a bit and driving it 
back in, I finally arrived at about 2 thou of runnout on a 6" piece of 
1/2" A2 drill rod, and it seemed to be repeatable, the R8 it was being 
held in was pretty true.

Pretty good considering my first measurement of that runout was in the 55 
thou range immediately after I broke the tap.  Measured on the remains 
of the tap stickout. I was by myself and the shop air was pretty blue 
for a while.

I have searched the net, but have largely come up empty when looking for 
a tap holder that actually grabs the square on the butt of the tap.  If 
I was a tool maker trying to design such a beast, I would first try to 
convince the tap makes to standardize the square. I have close to 60 
taps sourced from various places, and I don't think I have 2 taps that 
are close enough to the same size that a machined holder could hold 
both.

Tap holding, precisely and repeatably is a problem I would love to solve.

Thanks folks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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