Unfortunately, this method doesn't work in general. Take, for example, a source and load, both mismatched to (say) a 50 ohm system. One could measure the output power of the source delivered to a 50 ohm load (power meter). One could then drive the load with a 50 ohm source (signal generator, with output power equal to that measured in the previous step) and measure the load response. Then the source and load could be connected together. The response at the load could indicate lower, higher, or exactly the same power as measured with the 50 ohm power meter, depending on the relative phase of the mismatch between the source and load, and the electrical length of the transmission line between them. In the case where the response was the same, a zero electrical length 10 dB attenuator could be inserted, and the response at the load would be exactly 10 dB lower, even though both the source and the load are mismatched. The mismatch error is bounded by 20log(1 ± |rho1*rho2|). Doing the experiment can only set a lower bound on |rho1*rho2|, where rho1 is the reflection coefficient of the source, and rho2 is the reflection coefficient of the load (0 <= |rho| <= 1, any phase angle). And only the magnitude of the product of the two rho values is know, not the individual rho values. Don Borowski Schweitzer Engineering Labs Pullman, WA Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> on 09/26/2002 06:56:44 AM Please respond to Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> To: "Gordon,Ian" <ian.gor...@edwards.boc.com>, "'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'" <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> cc: (bcc: Don Borowski/SEL) Subject: Re: MEASURING VSWR WITHOUT A DIRECTIONAL COUPLER
I am putting this out not as the best solution necessarily, but as a solution. It will be interesting to get several different techniques and see whose is most accurate, fastest, requires least equipment. I would install a 10 dB pad at each discontinuity (consecutively, not simultaneously) and measure the difference each time. If you measure precisely 10 dB less, there was no vswr. Anything different from 10 dB means there was a reflection. There is a way to get from the reflected amount to what the vswr actually is, but in your case you don't need a vswr reading as much as you want to bound the errors. The biggest mismatch is from 30 - 80 MHz between the antenna and the attached coax. Another source of reflections is if no internal attenuation is selected and the spectrum analyzer mixer is a poor match to 50 Ohms. HP used to warn about this. Along those lines I recall Don White (does anyone hear from him anymore?) critiquing a paper at the 1989 EMC Symposium in Denver. The paper was something about how accurate this facility was in making RE measurements. Don asked the speaker if they used a pad to match the antennas to the coax when making NSA measurements, and the speaker said of course. Then he asked if they took the pads out in order to get usable sensitivity for RE testing. Again the answer was in the affirmative. Don didn't have to say another word. The sneer on his face said it all. on 9/26/02 6:01 AM, Gordon,Ian at ian.gor...@edwards.boc.com wrote: > > > Everybody > I need to assess the uncertainty of radiated emission and immunity > measurements and thus need to measure the mismatch between components in the > systems. The frequency range of interest is 30MHz-1GHz) > Is there a way in which I can measure the VSWR of a > cable-antenna-receiver/amplifier combination without having to purchase a > directional coupler or network analyser? > The equipment I have at my disposal is: two power amplifiers (150kHz-30MHz & > 80MHz-1GHz), a spectrum analyser with tracking generator (9kHz-2.6GHz), > signal generator (150kHz-1GHz), RF power meter (9kHz-1GHz) and a receiver > (9kHz-2.6GHz). > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks > Ian Gordon > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed > Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit > http://www.worldcom.com > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > -- Ken Javor EMC Compliance Huntsville, Alabama 256/650-5261 ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" This e-mail may contain SEL confidential information. The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of SEL. Any unauthorized disclosure, distribution or other use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender, permanently delete it, and destroy any printout. Thank you.