Doug,
I have no problem doing just that with my projects. The online data
thing gives away the source so we are talking about the same folks - but
different offices. Although I know that the engineer involved in my projects
pulls copies of the full reports for the device, as he should, to check for
miscellaneous items that aren't on the Listing or "Yellow" recognized cards.
Internally I verify the part has recognition and send the manufacturers
file number off, - after checking the conditions of acceptability.
As long as I am at it, after calling the UL follow-up-services regional
office, I quit having trouble with surface marked wiring. It took three things,
A Card that identified the manufacture as having Listed/Recognized wiring, the
logos and ratings on the wiring, and a small discussion about the definition
of package, and the fact that other components have nothing more than "surface"
markings on products. Its not my responsibility to enforce UL's markings policy
and a tag can be as easily forged as the wiring.
As I've said here in the past, if you don't agree with them challenge
it. The standards are a two-edged sword, they have to live by them as well. If
the can't show you where it is they can't enforce it.
One of the problems with the NRTL's, all of them, is inconsistent
interpretation - or worse yet the fact that it need be interpreted at all.
Throw in the fact that occasionally they make up stuff, called desk standards
and you find there are times when the extra time spent makes your, and their,
lives easier. I haven't notice being put into the bucket of nasty clients and
enjoy a good working relationship with the guys on the other side of the fence
so just challenging a thorny issue doesn't have hidden costs in the long run. I
don't win them all and often learn something along the way.
(Putting on my bell bottoms and tie dyed shirt for the big finish here)
Power to the people! (Stepping off the soap box for now)
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug McKean [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Wire spool labeling requirements
> I find it interesting, the possibility that to some degree UL (and others)
> cast doubt on the validity of their own markings and logos by requiring
that
> we as users validate labeling on the wire spool. I understand the concern
Just to underscore this, I haven't been able to validate
approvals on parts or products to a well known NRTL
without having an actual copy of the approval that was
sent to the vendor of said device from the approving agency.
And it doesn't make a difference even if I can prove the
company and device approval are listed on the website
of the NRTL. - Doug McKean
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