Following your line of thought, do you have to consider the temperature rating of the power cord –vs- how hot the heat-sink gets? Many power cords are only rated 60ºC. If the heat-sink exceeded this temperature it could melt through both insulated jackets on the cordage.
Just a thought. The Other Brian ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Eichner Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: NRTL Mark vs. NEC Inspector The criteria that determines if an accessible conductive part requires grounding is generally whether or not a single fault can make that part come into contact with a hazardous live part. The single fault may be failure of functional or basic insulation, reduction of a functional or basic clearance, a component fault, etc. >From your statement that the only risk would be if the power supply cord “near” the heatsink becomes damaged and contacts the heatsink, it sounds as if you have determined that the internal construction is such that there is no risk of the heatsink becoming live from contact with internal live parts under normal or single fault conditions. If you have not determined that, you need to, because the inspector might be onto something and the NRTL might have missed something. It happens. Assuming that we are indeed left with only the p/s cord to consider, then 2 things have to happen as you stated: damage to the cord, and cord contact with the heatsink. If the p/s cord has nothing securing it in position away from the heatsink, I think you have to assume it can or will contact that heatsink, without that constituting a fault. In that case, the question becomes: can the Listed power supply cord have an exposed live conductor as the result of a single fault? I would say yes, except that if it is a jacketed cord, you would have to damage both the jacket, and the conductor insulation. That could easily happen from a single action, but I do not think it counts as a single fault, since 2 layers of insulation are involved. In fact it would seem logical that if it did count as a single fault, a cord like that would not be allowed to be exposed to users. Does anyone have an opinion or know of an official NRTL rule on this? Is an NRTL approved jacketed cord officially considered single fault tolerant? Finally, if the portion of the p/s cord that is near the heatsink is external to the projector (ie if it is accessible), then if it is damaged in such a way that it could energize the heatsink, it is itself a hazard regardless of whether or not it touches the heatsink. Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Compliance Engineering Manager Xantrex Technology Inc. e-mail: [email protected] web: www.xantrex.com <http://www.xantrex.com/> Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Rodham Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re:NRTL Mark vs. NEC Inspector List Members, We have an interesting problem. We sold an OEM product ( very high end Home Theater Movie Projector , better than a movie theater quality) which was listed by a well known NRTL. ( We modify and enhance the SW for high end performance) The projector was installed in a public place and the installation was evaluated by a NEC ( National Electrical Code ) inspector. The projector has a metal ungrounded heat sink attached to the chassis that was added for cooling but was evaluated and approved by the NRTL. The NEC inspector will not sign off on the installation stating non-current carrying exposed metal parts that may be accidentally energized must be grounded to the chassis. Grounding the heat-sink to the chassis will be difficult due to the design of this special aluminum heat-sink. Here are my questions: * What is the criteria to determine if a metal part can become accidentally energized? The only way it could happen in this case is if the power cord that is near the heat-sink is damaged and then touches the heat-sink. The power cord is UL approved and properly rated. * How many fault conditions ( single vs multiple ) are considered to determine if a metal part can become accidentally energized. * What would be our best option in arguing this ruling. Should we request another inspector or get the NRTL involved? Note that this unit is ceiling mounted and only trained service people would have access to it after the initial installation. Thank you! 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