Ditto -- I would stick with the NRTL 61010-1. You can't list to NFPA 79, and field labeling this sort of equipment to NFPA 79 simply invites some real but irrelevant nonconformances that will prevent your machine from being used until you retrofit it (experience speaking here). NFPA 70, by the way, primarily applies to the wiring in the building in which the equipment is being installed.
Mike Sherman Graco Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Leber (Suwanee)" <[email protected]> To: "EMC-PSTC" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 8:22:57 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] Scope of NFPA 79 Charlie, As long as the product is certified to UL 61010-1 by a third party that is accepted by the AHJ, you should be fine. You could also field label it at the installation site. NFPA 79 would not be needed. The AHJ's are typically looking for a third party mark. Just make sure the third party is accepted by the AHJ. OSHA NRTL does not necessarily mean local AHJ acceptance. Many jurisdiction have their own rules and approval schemes for field labeling. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Performance Laboratory Manager Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Scope of NFPA 79 Ron / Jody Product is covered by Semi S2, and 3rd party report. We apply 61010-1 standards as the equipment is "industrial process control" - and will be NRTL listed. The equipment is going to be sold into more than one jurisdiction - is applicability, or not, of NFPA 79 going to come down to interpretation of local AHJ, or is there a way I can get a definitive in/out scope decision? regards Charlie From: Ronald Wellman <[email protected]> Sent: 08 October 2014 13:51 To: Charlie Blackham; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PSES] Scope of NFPA 79 You might want to ask your Customers what they require. Since your equipment processes semiconductor gases then SEMI S2 will most likely come into play. Also, depending on who your Customers are, they might require field labeling to comply with local OSHA requirements, and the standard mostly used in these cases is NFPA 79. Best regards, Ron Wellman From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PSES] Scope of NFPA 79 All I'm trying to determine whether a product falls within scope of NFPA79 for USA. EU Machinery Directive determines whether a product is within scope by what it does, but my reading of NFPA79 is that the latter also considers "what it does it to". Looking at the 2015 version, NFPA79, Chapter 3, section 3.3.54 defines 'Industrial Machinery' as: " A power-driven machine (or group of machines working together in a coordinated manner), not portable by hand while working, that is used to process material by cutting; forming; pressure; electrical, thermal, or optical techniques; lamination; or a combination of these processes. Machine can include associated equipment used to transfer material or tooling, including fixtures to assemble/disassemble, to inspect or test, or to package. [The associated electrical equipment, including the logic controller(s) and associated software or logic together with the machine actuators and sensors, are considered as part of the industrial machine.]" The product in question processes gases (in silicon wafer and flat panel manufacturing plants) - so I don't think it processes "material". If that is the case, it would be outside scope of NFPA79, and just within scope of NFPA70. 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