Hi Entertaining Friday discussion, thank you all. I tend to conclude that for the UK these items probably should not be on the market if:
* They claim compliance to EN 60950-1 in the DoC as in that I believe that reliance on the breaker as the disconnect device is not recognized (must be part of the equipment like a mains plug surely) * Are not CE marked * Are not Energy Efficiency marked with Level V or above * Incapable of being Megger tested, they also seem to fail the "suitable for use" requirement of UK Sale of Goods Act BTW personally I agree that regulations may need to catch up on this but to somehow enable them to meet requirements. Everything else, whilst application of requirements may be a little cookie, seems sort of clear. It appears to be an ITE PSU hardwired into the supply as well as an electrical supply accessory. Any more thoughts? Concur? John From: John Cotman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 March 2015 15:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Mains Outlet sockets This doesn't answer all of the question, but the ASTA certification database is searchable on line by various search terms, including by manufacturer, so you should be able to see if a claim is valid, and hopefully it should tell you what standards ASTA has applied. John Cotman Senior Consultant Direct line: +44 1298 873841 Mobile: +44 7793 770730 email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ----- Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking consultants The Old Methodist Chapel, Great Hucklow, Buxton, SK17 8RG England Tel. +44 1298 873800, Fax. +44 1298 873801, www.conformance.co.uk<http://www.conformance.co.uk/> Registered in England, Company No. 3478646 On 13 Mar 2015, at 14:43, John Woodgate <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: In message <04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7ef8d8c128...@slomailprd01.polycom.com<mailto:04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7ef8d8c128...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>>, dated Fri, 13 Mar 2015, "Pearson, John" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> writes: Questions from the compliance side The short answer to your questions is that these products have appeared very quickly on the market and the standards world simply hasn't had enough time to catch up. Wall sockets, especially in UK, are subject to very different regulations and standards than plug-in products, and the relevant standards committees have, in the past, had little need to talk to each other. ASTA may have taken a 'notified body' approach in view of the lack of specific standards, i.e. applied standards partially and safety principles in addition, to determine whether a product is safe. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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