John, Richard
I had forgotten about Annex II, and so I think that, between you, you have probably identified the two main reasons why the suppliers of these products appear to have decided not to apply the CE mark. However, one thing then occurs to me: Assuming that Richard is correct in saying "Maybe the socket importers wish to claim that their sockets are "fixed installations" and therefore excluded, under the EMC Directive, from the need for conformance to Standards and from CE marking!" then does that mean that your average domestic user who installs one of these outlets, then need to create a Technical File to "demonstrate" that his house complies the EMCD? (Whilst I am well aware of the responsibilities placed on commercial/industrial premises operators for EMCD compliance, but I had never really considered the question of "domestic" properties) Oh, and BTW, what would "happen" if someone, as they probably will, fits these outlets to mobile homes/caravans which otherwise have no electrical/electronic circuitry in them are they turning an essentially EMC-passive "mobile installations" (within the scope of the EMCD) into "active" ones, that would then need EMCD assessment? Stupid questions? Maybe, but would be interesting to hear your thoughts? John Allen W. London, UK -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 March 2015 18:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Mains Outlet sockets In message < <mailto:04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7ef8d8c128...@slomailprd01.polycom.com> 04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7ef8d8c128...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>, dated Fri, 13 Mar 2015, "Pearson, John" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> writes: >Any more thoughts? Concur? No. There is no standard that applies to these products. You cannot 'cherry-pick' inapplicable standards to argue that they should not be marketed. Plug and socket outlets for domestic use are exempt from the LVD (Annex II), so it is not allowed to apply the CE mark. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at <http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/> http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> Mike Cantwell < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> David Heald: < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
