Hello all, I believe labeling/ listing first came into place as a response from insurance companies needing concise requirements defining fire hazards.
Underwriters Laboratory did not come from a group of VC's that thought it was a cool name. Scott, the other- other Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Ted Eckert > <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK, now I’m going completely off topic, but here is my opinion. This is only > my opinion and it does not necessarily reflect the opinion of my company or > anybody else. > > I completely agree with Pete that consolidation is unlikely. Congressional > leaders reward members of their caucus by giving them committee positions, > and those committees become minor fiefdoms that congress members defend > jealously. Different organizations fall under the oversight of different > congressional committees. No one committee appears willing to give up the > authority or budget for their area to another committee. > > Consolidation can happen, but only in extreme circumstances. Even then, it > doesn’t necessarily solve the problem. The Department of Homeland Security > (DHS) was created after the September 11, 2001 attacks. It consolidated a > number of organizations that fell under numerous oversight committees. The > result ended up having multiple committees reviewing DHS and approving the > budget. I welcome comments from anybody who feels that organizations > centralized under DHS have improved significantly due to the new structure. > (Intelligence sharing may be an example, but intelligence sharing was banned > 40 years ago because of domestic spying abuses. Will it work better this time? > > One common example of committees protecting their areas of interest is food > safety. Let’s say you want to buy lunch at Taco Bell. (I wouldn’t recommend > it, but it works for this example.) You order a beef burrito and it is > covered under the food safety regulations of the USDA. Your friend orders a > bean burrito and their lunch is covered by the FDA. It gets even stranger if > somebody orders fish. Which department covers fish depends on the species of > fish. > > An electrical device could fall under CPSC, OSHA, MSHA, the FAA, the FDA, the > DoD or any one of a number of organizations for safety depending on its > intended use. As much as I hate to say it, my job exist partly due to > inefficiency in the regulatory environment. > > O.K., I’ve vented enough for now. I’ll close my eyes, count to ten slowly and > then get back to work. > > Ted Eckert > Microsoft Corporation > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my > employer. > > From: Pete Perkins [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > John, et al, > > The WEB definition of NRTL is quite narrow. As we explained > earlier, Labeling/Listing by a NRTL approved lab is an NEC concept which is > administered by OSHA. > > The placement of this responsibility came upon OSHA not by legislation but by > litigation when a test lab challenged the premise that, altho > Labeling/Listing was required, there was no way for additional test labs to > get on the list. The battle went all the way to the US Supreme Court and > OSHA lost and, subsequently, were forced to develop the NRTL acceptance > program which they run today. > > Apparently the 2017 NEC will now require NRTL Labeling of products which will > continue to be honored by all 10k US Jurisdictions and enforced by the AHJs > in each. > > I personally don’t see any effort to simplify or consolidate the US system > any time soon. Especially in the climate of Brexit and other forces presently > at work. > > :>) br, Pete > > Peter E Perkins, PE > Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant > PO Box 23427 > Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 > > 503/452-1201 > > [email protected] > > From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > From the WEB: NRTL Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, or NRTLs, are > third party organizations recognized by the Occupational Safety and Health > Administration (OSHA) under Federal code 29 CFR 1910.7 to provide product > safety testing and certification services for products used in the US > workplace. > > With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only > www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > > Sylvae in aeternum manent. > > From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > Hi John, > > What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type examination > against applicable safety standard without production audits? > > What are the differences between A2LA and NRTL? > > From: "Tyra, John" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "Tyra, John" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 25 July 2016 at 10:14 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL > approved > > From: Richard Nute [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > Hi Scott: > > For consumer and household products, compliance with CPSC requirements is > required. > > No. Only products considered “substantial product hazards” such as hair > dryers need comply with CPSC requirements. However, any consumer product > that injures someone is subject to CPSC recall order. > > What about OSHA? > > Electrical products that are used by employees are required to be NRTL > certified. > > > Best regards, > Rich > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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