Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

[John Woodgate]

I expect they are quite satisfied by the British approvals.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2018-07-16 17:48, Scott Xe wrote:

Dear Johns,

Thanks for advice abt other countries using 13A plugs & sockets!  Do they require specific approved bodies for issuing certification like UK?

Regards,

Scott

*From: *John Allen <000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>
*Reply-To: *John Allen <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk>
*Date: *Monday, 16 July 2018 at 3:45 PM
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*Subject: *Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

Also used in Malta and Cyprus (even in “Turkish” Northern Cyprus IIRC!) – and then there is Gibraltar.

John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*John Mcauley [mailto:john.mcau...@cei.ie]
*Sent:* 16 July 2018 01:03
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

Hi Scott

Ireland uses the same plug as the UK as per I.S. 401:1997 - Safety Requirements For Rewireable And Non-rewireable 13A Fused Plugs.

IS 401 is the equivalent of BS 1363.

Interesting issue about plugs being able to be inserted upside down in some extension sockets.

John McAuley

*From:* Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* 15 July 2018 23:32
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

Thank you for the clarification.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 12:47 am John Woodgate, <j...@woodjohn.uk <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> wrote:

    GPS applies to anything; that's why is called 'General...'.
    Anything can fall within more than one Directive, in fact all
    electrical products fall within both LVD and EMCD, as well as GPSD.

    BS 136X connectors are used outside the UK; the EU is not relevant
    to that.

    John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

    J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk>

    Rayleigh, Essex UK

    On 2018-07-15 17:33, Scott Xe wrote:

        The product is for UK market only since 13A rectangular pins. 
        I believe only UK uses this type of plug within EU.  As far as
        I remember, a couple of such product reviews raised this
        concern in the past but I did not know the BS standard does
        not prohibit it.  I am uncomfortable with such design if it
        meets the standard.

        According to LVD guidance, this type of product falls into
        LVD, not GPS.  John, how does this product relate to GPS?

        Thanks and regards,

        Scott

        *From: *John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk> <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>
        *Date: *Sunday, 15 July 2018 at 10:53 PM
        *To: *Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com>
        <mailto:scott...@gmail.com>, <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
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        *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

        I believe that no-one thought of the possibility of a design
        that allowed that incorrect insertion. It is known to the
        responsible BSI committee, but of course it takes time for the
        standard to be amended. Until it is, conformity to the
        existing standard cannot be denied. However, the marketing of
        such a device might violate the GPS Directive in Europe,
        although that is not certain because unshuttered sockets are
        legal in some EU/EFTA countries. Since it  only affects those
        countries that use the BS136X system,  the appropriate
        regulatory action may be problematical.

        John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

        J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
        <http://www.woodjohn.uk>

        Rayleigh, Essex UK

        On 2018-07-15 14:52, Scott Xe wrote:

                I received a sample of portable extension sockets with
                a compliance certificate of BS 1363-2.  It is noted
                the slim enclosure design allows the mains plugs to be
                inserted into the sockets up-side-down by mistake.  In
                such circumstance, only the earth pin is inserted and
                the plug opens the shutter of L and N terminals
                posting the risk to access the L and N terminals with
                a test pin.  It is a foreseeable misuse but seems no
                breach of the safety standard.  Can someone share why
                it can be tolerated by the standard?

                Thanks and regards,

                Scott

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