Canada, by contrast, seems to regularly inspect new equipment installations for the presence of a listing mark. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC
> On 01/07/2026 11:41 AM CST Jim Bacher, WB8VSU <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's mandatory, but not enforced by OSHA unless an issue arises. > > There are a few cities that do enforce it. Los Angeles being one of them. If > their inspectors find such a product they will require it's removal and that > includes trade show demos. > > One company I dealt with many years ago was paying for site inspections of > their products when installing their products, instead of certifying their > products. > > Once you have a CB Report, getting a NRTL cert isn't too difficult or > expensive. > > > Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > [email protected] > JBRC Consulting LLC > Product EMC & Regulatory Consultant > https://www.trc.guru/ https://trc.guru/ email:[email protected] > IEEE Life Senior Member > > > On January 7, 2026 12:22:26 PM "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > John and James, > > > > Thank you so much for your valuable feedback. > > > > I see a lot of products that are used in the professional market that do > > not have any type of 3rd party certification and they are being sold on the > > market and they are from some big manufacturers. So would you agree that > > 3rd party certification is not mandatory but rather valuntary? > > > > Thanks > > Peter > > > > On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 05:48:11 AM PST, James Hulbert > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > We all own a debit of gratitude to Leonard Frier. > > > > > > > > Jim Hulbert > > > > > > > > From: John Allen <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2026 7:55 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory NRTL certification > > > > > > > > This message is from an EXTERNAL EMAIL system. Use caution and think before > > opening attachments, clicking links, or responding. > > > > By the way, "NRTL" used to say "UL". 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I believe AHJs do not want the liability of accepting non-Certified > > installations and prefer an NRTL FE label at a minimum. > > > > > > > > https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.399 > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.399__;!!GXa4NB5MBjHR!QWzoP4he-0GDBE_08PDsLCHh-IxQgC5p8T3Pf3mPb0d3oJGwITM0mNXq_cxaGlZ_d9W1jlLJbbXMTQhI_5Fp1FyOtfI9jjo$ > > > > > > > > Part Number:1910 > > > > * Part Number Title:Occupational Safety and Health Standards > > * Subpart:1910 Subpart S > > * Subpart Title:Electrical > > * Standard Number: > > > > 1910.399 > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/interlinking/standards/1910.399__;!!GXa4NB5MBjHR!QWzoP4he-0GDBE_08PDsLCHh-IxQgC5p8T3Pf3mPb0d3oJGwITM0mNXq_cxaGlZ_d9W1jlLJbbXMTQhI_5Fp1FyOHkM_MmA$ > > > > * Title: Definitions applicable to this subpart. > > * GPO Source: e-CFR > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=65b279ee2e7530009034c1f152d451e5&tpl=*ecfrbrowse*Title29*29tab_02.tpl__;Ly8v!!GXa4NB5MBjHR!QWzoP4he-0GDBE_08PDsLCHh-IxQgC5p8T3Pf3mPb0d3oJGwITM0mNXq_cxaGlZ_d9W1jlLJbbXMTQhI_5Fp1FyOC2qFMOY$ > > > > Acceptable. 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Then > > permanently delete all copies of the message. > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Ralph McDiarmid <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2026 6:17 PM > > To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PSES] Mandatory NRTL certification > > > > > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize the > > sender and know the content is safe. > > > > Happy New Year. > > > > > > > > The US Dept of Labor has a mandate to enforce workplace safety regulations. > > One of its many agencies is the Occupational Safety and Health > > Administration which is tasked with ensuring a safe work environment by > > enforcing product compliance by the application of US standards and done by > > accredited laboratories. That means products that are within scope of at > > least one UL standard must be shown to be compliant to that standard by a > > Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory. (an accredited laboratory and > > OSHA runs the NRTL accreditation program) > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > <[email protected] > > mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: January 5, 2026 3:40 PM > > To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > Subject: [PSES] Mandatory NRTL certification > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to all > > > > I was asked by one of the engineers that I work with if getting safety > > certification for a product in the US is mandatory or not? i.e do > > manufacturer of electrical or electronics have to have certification from > > NRTL or other 3rd party labs? The products in question are 100% used in > > professional environment and are not intended for general consumer market. > > If this is a mandatory requirement, where can I see the requirements > > written? > > > > Thanks > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > > discussion list. 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