On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:44 -0500, Chris Radek wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 04:47:31PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> > 
> > Videos here:
> > http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/HNC/Rigid_Tapping_3.html
> > http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/HNC/Rigid_Tapping_1.html
> > http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/HNC/Rigid_Tapping_2.html
> 
> 
> Wow that is a neat tool turret.  It changes fast.
> 
> One thing that jumps out at me is that it seems your accelerations on
> X/Z are extremely low.  It looks like it takes an inch or more to get
> up to your rapid speed.

That's correct. I seem to recall that I had to balance between
acceleration and tripping the following error alarm. I should probably
go back and optimize my tuning sometime (after I start making money).

> If accel really needs to be so low you should try starting the tapping
> move way outside the part (an inch) or tapping at very low rpm and see
> if that helps.  It's possible it hasn't settled into sync with the
> spindle quite yet, when it's cutting the first couple threads.
> 
> You are using a sprial point (if thru hole) or spiral flute tap (if
> not) right?

I am using a new uncoated spiral point with a hollow spacer and collet
stop. I did find that the spacer and stop gets loaded with chips and
needs to be cleaned out for each part.

> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 04:29:10PM -0700, dave engvall wrote:
> > Chris, 
> > Any chance that what Kirk is seeing is the same as the problem on the
> > Mazak and could be fixed in like manner? 
> 
> Kirk and I talked about the importance of cranking up the SERVO and
> TRAJ rates and I think he is running both at at least 1kHz now.  Any
> slower just isn't enough to get a nice synchronized reversal.
> 
> Chris

Oops, by the time I got out to the shop, I forgot about the rate
corrections. Still, I think g33.1 is working well as is with a .1"
to .2" lead-in. I think the problem is inherent with the tap or fluid I
am using. The more I think about it, the more I think running a second
g33.1 to chase the thread is the way to go. To be honest, I really can't
tell the difference between the double g33.1 parts and the hand chased
parts. I suppose I should tap a part on my manual lathe for comparison.

-- 
Kirk Wallace (California, USA
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 
Hardinge HNC/EMC CNC lathe,
Bridgeport mill conversion, doing XY now,
Zubal lathe conversion pending
Craftsman AA 109 restoration
Shizuoka ST-N/EMC CNC)


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