Dave wrote:
> Any idea why they moved it to Southgate?  I thought the Seagate center 
> was pretty nice.
>   
There have been warring parties within the NAMES leadership for a number 
of years.
The only reason they moved to Toledo was that Barbara and Truman 
Parkinson got in
charge of selecting a venue, and I think they sprung the Toledo thing on 
the rest of
the leadership as a done deal, with a several year contract.  The 
Parkinsons live East of Toledo,
so it was a great thing for them.  The rest of the leadership is from 
the Detroit area, very
hooked in with the auto industry.  I also heard (from Barb) that Toledo 
gave them a deal that
was too good to pass up.  Anyone who went to the 2006 NAMES knows that 
Toledo was
ABSOLUTELY DEAD that year.  It was just eerie to walk out on the streets 
during the day and
there were NO, ZERO people out.  I was glad to see this had REALLY 
changed this last year,
there were all sorts of night spots open, etc.  A lot of the perks the 
hotels were giving away in the first
years have gone away, too.  My guess is part of it was the Seagate was 
asking for a lot more money
for next year.


My first visit to NAMES (2001?) it was in the Yack arena, which was 
literally a Quonset hut that
looked like it was used to store feedbags the rest of the year.  They 
packed 1000+ people into
the area of a big basement!  It was AWFUL, you could be marooned in a 
sea of people for 15 minutes
until a couple people all moved in the same direction at the same time.  
Fortunately, that was the LAST
year for the Yack.  (Well, OK, the Yack Arena is actually big enough to 
fit a regulation hockey rink,
but I guess the extreme crowding just made it seem half that size or 
even less.  The poor lighting also
made it seem smaller.)

So, they were in the Southgate Civic Center from 2002 through 2006.  The 
first year they only had
one rink and the lobby area, later they got both rinks.  One big problem 
is they usually have a hockey game
Sunday night, so they have like FOUR HOURS to tear down the entire show 
so at least one rink can be
used.  That is an insane mess for the NAMES crew.  A lot of people 
didn't like standing for 8 hours on a
sheet of ice, even with a little plywood on top.  The warped plywood was 
pretty bad to roll heavy gear on,
also.  There is also a dearth of hotels in the Southgate area, including 
some really BAD ones.


Jon

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