I can relate.  I have a Dodge Caravan on a trailer in my driveway about 
to go to the scrap yard.  My daughter ran it into the back end of a 
brand new pickup truck.

Even worse, the pickup truck was stopped at a light!   :-(

The van was totaled but I was able to salvage some parts off of it.

Fortunately she walked away from it.

>>Well, but my Civic Hybrid DOES beat your Metro MPG, in REAL USE by ME!
It has a CVT with a computer-controlled "start clutch", no torque converter!
<<

Ok.. I'll give you that one.

Dave



On 5/2/2013 12:33 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>    
>>
>> A Geo Metro could easily match those numbers 20+ years ago. Could do almost 
>> that good with an automatic transmission.
>>
>>      
> Ah, yes, but then my daughter ran my old one through a power pole, not
> just the residential size but the kind with a dual 45 KV feeder on it, and
> sheared the pole completely in half.  Powered down our entire town
> for an evening.  She walked away from the wreck without a scratch.
> My guess is that a Geo Metro would have left her in pieces.  Sometimes
> all that extra weight modern cars carry has its uses.
>    
>> When a new car can beat the old Metro for MPG in real world use, then 
>> that'll be something for its manufacturer to crow about.
>>
>>      
> Well, but my Civic Hybrid DOES beat your Metro MPG, in REAL USE by ME!
> It has a CVT with a computer-controlled "start clutch", no torque converter!
>
> Jon
>
> Jon
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