On Tuesday 08 May 2018 08:06:37 andy pugh wrote:

> On 8 May 2018 at 12:53, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Is there a possible violation of the single point ground? Some cable
> > shield grounded on both ends for instance?
>
> The internet says that that might be correct for 2.5Mb serial data.

For unbalanced signals? Small Maybe, but I suspect yours are balanced.

> https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4417778/Questions-o
>n-cables-for-EMC-mitigation
>
> > Or a possible failure of the supply's output capacitors? ESR from
> > their aging comes to mind. And switchers do tend to abuse those
> > caps.
>
> This PSU is just a bridge rectifier and some big caps. Unregulated
> straight off the mains.

I wish mine were that simple. AC isolation pretty much demands 
transformers. So I use toroids, amoung other advantages, they don't 
broadcast huge magnetic crap. You can stack as many as your mounting 
bolt is long without noticeable cross coupling. A piece of insulation 
shim to keep them from shorting is all you need. But keep heat in mind 
if stacking.

And your mains are about 230 volts IIRC. That's more than any of the 
stepper drivers can tolerate, but thats not germain here I don't think.

Are your drives all on a common supply bus?, or does each drive src its 
power straight off the caps with individual wires?  If a common bus, 
split it into individual wires so the currents can only see each other 
at the common points at the supply. If already so, try a 1 u-f mylar cap 
at the big caps common points. If that helps, the big caps are 
developing high ESR. Replace them, or leave the 1 u-f installed forever, 
its good practice.

> I think that any noise has to be PWM noise from the other drives.

That would be my assumption too, Andy, but I'd get out the 100mhz dual 
trace scope and verify it. And this is a case that demands its grounding 
be defeated, and measurements all made from that single point ground 
bolt, so you may have to power the scope from an isolation transformer 
in order to make that valid. Else the ground loop in its own power cord 
_will_ make it lie to you.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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