Lol.. let me do that again... The Kearney and Trecker has at least 96 i\o and 5+ analog axis. Everything (and I mean everything) is controlled within LinuxCNC using classic ladder, Hal and one poorly written realtime component to do the spindle shifting. Been 100% stable for years.
Sam On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 5:35 PM Sam Sokolik <samco...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Kearney and trecker > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 5:33 PM Feral Engineer <theferalengin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The pay walls, axis limits and markups on accessories are the reasons I >> avoided centroid. >> >> The thing I love most about Linuxcnc is the flexibility, reliability and >> yes, classicladder - or at least ladder based plc in general, which makes >> it incredibly easy to figure out for someone with an industrial >> electronics >> background. I do miss some of the functionality of industrial controls >> inside of LinuxCNC that I think should be implemented, but all in all, >> it's >> an incredible tool. >> >> I do think that in order for it to gain traction, it needs some more >> "black >> box" usability, though. As an example, an input sniffer to assign hal pins >> to button presses on a game controller or hardware buttons on a Mesa card >> would be kinda cool to implement. >> >> Phil T. >> The Feral Engineer >> >> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at >> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer >> >> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: >> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer >> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 4:38 PM gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote: >> >> > On Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:30:42 PM EST John Dammeyer wrote: >> > > Hi Mark, >> > > I'll summarize your basic premise here that all machines are >> different. >> > > That's true! >> > > >> > > And MACH2/3/4 has a huge user base without ever needing a command line >> > > editor. So if it can be done for Windows then certainly it can be >> done >> > > for LCNC. >> > > >> > > Having said that I'm also not suggesting we do away with the >> underbelly >> > of >> > > what is LCNC. Please recall my original post in this subject. The >> > > ACORN based system cannot run an old iron system with existing servo >> > > drives. It's likely it can't even run a system with a STMBL drive >> that >> > > faults on low power supply voltage which mine does because I have a >> soft >> > > start delay on mine so ENABLE shows up before the Voltage is there. >> > > Doesn't look like it can even do step/dir for the spindle (which MACH3 >> > > can). So there is a place for the 'raw' LinuxCNC install and HAL/INI >> > > file model. >> > > >> > > But that user I mentioned wasn't interested in learning a new OS and >> the >> > > ACORN was a one stop shop for the Ethernet controlled step/dir/VFD/IO >> > > board and windows CNC software. He went with Clearpath Servos so he >> > > wasn't adverse to spending money. He could just as easily have >> installed >> > > LCNC 2.8.2 and the MESA board with terminal strips and used the config >> > > screens in AXIS and I suspect for less money. But the LinuxOS itself >> > > appeared to also scare him away so he likely would never be a user. >> > > >> > > I think everyone who likes using an editor for configuration and >> issuing >> > > multiple commands with a command line interface has already been >> brought >> > > over to the dark side so to speak. They aren't the market for >> expanding >> > > the LCNC user base. >> > > >> > > I've attached a screen shot of something I've been playing with. Took >> > > about an hour to write using a modern GUI based software development >> > > tool; in this case Lazarus Free Pascal. The TCanvas Property has all >> > > sorts of drawing tools so I thought I'd take a quick look at the Axis >> > > source code. To see how easy it would be to port over the Preview >> screen >> > > to Pascal. >> > > >> > > I was immediately reminded of something I written many years ago by >> > > Nicholas Wirth the author of Pascal. "Those who learn Fortran as >> their >> > > first language are brain damaged for life". Rather harsh actually and >> > > taken out of context appears elitist . OTOH, 4195 lines of >> essentially >> > > undocumented python code does look like a lot of the Fortran code the >> > > Electrical Engineers were writing in University while we in the Comp >> Sci. >> > > stream were writing in structured languages Algol-68. And those were >> not >> > > for GUI type interfaces which add to complexity. >> > > >> > > For example: >> > > if o.canon: >> > > x = (o.canon.min_extents[0] + o.canon.max_extents[0])/2 >> > > y = (o.canon.min_extents[1] + o.canon.max_extents[1])/2 >> > > z = (o.canon.min_extents[2] + o.canon.max_extents[2])/2 >> > > o.set_centerpoint(x, y, z) >> > > >> > > If you go searching for o.cannon you find: >> > > o.canon = canon = AxisCanon(o, widgets.text, i, progress, >> arcdivision) >> > > >> > > Search for AxisCAnon and we find the object definition: >> > > class AxisCanon(GLCanon, StatMixin): >> > > >> > > Now we're into the include side of things where the rs274 library is >> > > needed: from rs274.interpret import StatMixin >> > > from rs274.glcanon import GLCanon, GlCanonDraw >> > > >> > > which takes us to here: >> > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/rs274/ >> > glcanon. >> > > py which is another 1886 lines of undocumented code. >> > > >> > > The excuses that will be made for no documentation will be the same >> ones >> > > given for command line operation of Linux and LCNC. It's much better >> > > than windows or it's self documenting. You just have to learn a few >> > > commands and you can do so much more than with windows........ >> > > >> > > I believe we need to step outside the box and ask ourselves this >> > question. >> > > How can we attract more people who just want simple CNC (maybe >> without >> > > limit switches even), a VFD and encoder on the spindle and possibly >> > > coolant or a few other outputs. >> > > >> > > One really simple way is that the companies (or people) building the >> > > intelligent CNC controls like the MESA change their web sites to have >> at >> > > least one menu choice for "SimpleCNC". >> > > >> > > I went here: >> > > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Supported_Hardware >> > > >> > > Eventually with more Google searching I ended up here: >> > > http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/ >> > product&product_id=290&se >> > > arch=7i76e >> > >> > That is a very nice board, I use 2 of them myself, but not in the E >> > version. I use the much cheaper parport version. Why? I refuse to give >> up >> > my only ethernet port just to carve metal. The net access is much much >> > more >> > useful to me. >> > >> > > That link to the page I think would be best right at the top of the >> MESA >> > > site. And on that page should be a link to a page with a pictorial >> > > connection diagram like: >> > > https://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_diy/acorn_cnc_controller.html >> > >> > For the basic, get you hooked, system that's not a bad price. But some >> of >> > the accessories clearly have a 10,000% markup. Why should a conductive >> > touch probe cost $800 when I can make one with 50 cents worth of wire, a >> > 1/2" square piece of PCB material worth a dime and 1/4" of solder? And >> its >> > repeatable to .0002" or better. Boggles my mind. >> > >> > > And a link to a version of LinuxCNC 2.8.2 (or latest) with a HAL/INI >> file >> > > specifically set up for that hardware. Literally install OS from .iso >> > > and there's a desktop ICON to run LCNC for that hardware. >> > > >> > > But going back up to the LCNC supported hardware link it turns out >> > there's >> > > almost nothing available for LCNC Ethernet control other than the MESA >> > > boards. So maybe that's also why MACH3/4 and the ACORN are so >> > > successful. >> > > >> > > Anyway, something to think about for the new year. >> > > John >> > >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett. >> > -- >> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) >> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law >> respectable. >> > - Louis D. 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