2018-01-31 10:52 GMT+01:00 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:37:28 +1030 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said: > > > > > > > On 31/01/18 10:39, Davide Andreoli wrote: > > > The fdo icons in the efl theme are indeed GPL3, > > > as clearly staten in COPYING.images and data/elementary/themes/fdo > > > > > > I have no idea about the contamination and the resulting theme final > > > license. > > > > > > For sure I want (and we must) them to remain to that license. > > > > > > > I don't understand why you wouldn't want them licensed under an > > equivalent creative commons license rather then GPL-3, GPL-3 is designed > > for source code where as creative commons is designed for images, using > > the wrong sort of licenses leads to the ambiguities we are seeing here, > > if we can't convince the upstream developers to change there isn't much > > we can do but its worth trying. >
Just because I don't know well the various CC licenses :) sorry, indeed my reply was a bit too rough. My main concern was that It seems to me quite impossible to convince all the upstream licenser to change their licenses. > > we need to probably replace them with icons that are not licensed like the > above. > > as for contamination, that is generally considered to be true with code if > they > share the same memory space. icons on the other hand do not. they are first > decoded/rendered then manipulated. code from the binary is mapped directly > into > memory as-is pretty much minus relocation. > > so while i don't think DATA files would leak their license to efl, gplv3 > does > create requirements of its host system (to allow any gplv3 components to be > replaceable by the end user) and that requires any system that would ship > these > to not be locked down. that is generally disliked by commercial vendors. > > so my take is "replace them". i could replace them anyway if the theme > fundamentally changed (e.g. became flat). > > > > > > > 2018-01-30 14:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Philippe André <j...@videolan.org>: > > > > > >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 30/01/18 22:20, Jean-Philippe André wrote: > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> Sungtaek pointed out to me that we have GPLv3-licensed artworks > (unsual > > >>> for > > >>>> images) in our theme, under data/elementary/theme/fdo. Those images > are > > >>> are > > >>>> then included in the compiled theme default.edj. One source is > clearly > > >>>> GPLv3: > > >>>> https://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 > > >>>> > > >>>> Now I wonder what the implications of this are... > > >>>> 1. Does Elementary become GPL because we load the theme and it > contains > > >>>> executable code (embryo & edje programs), so the theme is to be > > >>> considered > > >>>> a library, contaminating everything?? > > >>>> 2. Or only the theme itself is GPL, by contamination from those > images? > > >>>> 3. Or is the compiled theme file not GPL because we're not linking > or > > >>>> derivating, merely archiving those images like in a Zip file, in > which > > >>> case > > >>>> only what's in the tree is GPL? This would be same as HTML: > > >>>> https://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26/2113242/when- > > >>> gpl-becomes-almost-gpl-the-css-images-and-javascript- > > >>> loophole/informative-comments#comments > > >>>> > > >>>> In the FAQ I only found a mention about fonts: > > >>>> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#FontException > > >>>> We don't have such an exception. > > >>>> > > >>>> Pretty sure there is no problem (i.e. #3 is right), but IANAL so I'd > > >>> rather > > >>>> ask away :) > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Licence wise i've always considered themes to be separate, whether > that > > >>> is correct or not is another question. GPL with images is silly > anyway > > >>> and we really should be asking upstream to relicense with some form > of > > >>> creative commons anyway which makes far more sense, but I guess the > > >>> theme is probably technically GPL-3 as a binary. > > >> > > >> > > >> Not so sure. HTML seems to be a crazy exception: An HTML file > containing > > >> GPL licensed JS code is not GPL itself. Not consistent but makes > sense. EDJ > > >> probably also falls under the category of "container". > > >> > > >> > > >>> Probably the biggest actual real life issue is if the theme is being > > >>> used in consumer devices such as tizen you would need to provide > > >>> consumers a way to swap there stock theme for one of there choice. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Yeah that's partly why I'm asking. :) > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jean-Philippe André > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> ------------------ > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > -- > > > > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > > > > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > > SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 > > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
