On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:15:28 +0100 Davide Andreoli <d...@gurumeditation.it> said:
> 2018-01-31 10:52 GMT+01:00 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>: > > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:37:28 +1030 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said: > > > > > > > > > > > On 31/01/18 10:39, Davide Andreoli wrote: > > > > The fdo icons in the efl theme are indeed GPL3, > > > > as clearly staten in COPYING.images and data/elementary/themes/fdo > > > > > > > > I have no idea about the contamination and the resulting theme final > > > > license. > > > > > > > > For sure I want (and we must) them to remain to that license. > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand why you wouldn't want them licensed under an > > > equivalent creative commons license rather then GPL-3, GPL-3 is designed > > > for source code where as creative commons is designed for images, using > > > the wrong sort of licenses leads to the ambiguities we are seeing here, > > > if we can't convince the upstream developers to change there isn't much > > > we can do but its worth trying. > > > > we need to probably replace them with icons that are not licensed like the > > above. > > > > as for contamination, that is generally considered to be true with code if > > they > > share the same memory space. icons on the other hand do not. they are first > > decoded/rendered then manipulated. code from the binary is mapped directly > > into > > memory as-is pretty much minus relocation. > > > > so while i don't think DATA files would leak their license to efl, gplv3 > > does > > create requirements of its host system (to allow any gplv3 components to be > > replaceable by the end user) and that requires any system that would ship > > these > > to not be locked down. that is generally disliked by commercial vendors. > > > > Well, I expect a commercial vendor with a locked down device to at least > provide a > theme of their own :) the problem is they just read "gplv3" and run away without looking at the details most likely... :) so just having it off the list is a good thing. > > so my take is "replace them". i could replace them anyway if the theme > > fundamentally changed (e.g. became flat). > > > > > > > > > > 2018-01-30 14:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Philippe André <j...@videolan.org>: > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 30/01/18 22:20, Jean-Philippe André wrote: > > > >>>> Hi, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sungtaek pointed out to me that we have GPLv3-licensed artworks > > (unsual > > > >>> for > > > >>>> images) in our theme, under data/elementary/theme/fdo. Those images > > are > > > >>> are > > > >>>> then included in the compiled theme default.edj. One source is > > clearly > > > >>>> GPLv3: > > > >>>> https://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Now I wonder what the implications of this are... > > > >>>> 1. Does Elementary become GPL because we load the theme and it > > contains > > > >>>> executable code (embryo & edje programs), so the theme is to be > > > >>> considered > > > >>>> a library, contaminating everything?? > > > >>>> 2. Or only the theme itself is GPL, by contamination from those > > images? > > > >>>> 3. Or is the compiled theme file not GPL because we're not linking > > or > > > >>>> derivating, merely archiving those images like in a Zip file, in > > which > > > >>> case > > > >>>> only what's in the tree is GPL? This would be same as HTML: > > > >>>> https://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26/2113242/when- > > > >>> gpl-becomes-almost-gpl-the-css-images-and-javascript- > > > >>> loophole/informative-comments#comments > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In the FAQ I only found a mention about fonts: > > > >>>> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#FontException > > > >>>> We don't have such an exception. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Pretty sure there is no problem (i.e. #3 is right), but IANAL so I'd > > > >>> rather > > > >>>> ask away :) > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Licence wise i've always considered themes to be separate, whether > > that > > > >>> is correct or not is another question. GPL with images is silly > > anyway > > > >>> and we really should be asking upstream to relicense with some form > > of > > > >>> creative commons anyway which makes far more sense, but I guess the > > > >>> theme is probably technically GPL-3 as a binary. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Not so sure. HTML seems to be a crazy exception: An HTML file > > containing > > > >> GPL licensed JS code is not GPL itself. Not consistent but makes > > sense. EDJ > > > >> probably also falls under the category of "container". > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Probably the biggest actual real life issue is if the theme is being > > > >>> used in consumer devices such as tizen you would need to provide > > > >>> consumers a way to swap there stock theme for one of there choice. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> Yeah that's partly why I'm asking. :) > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Jean-Philippe André > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> ------------------ > > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------ > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > > > > > > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > > > SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 > > > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
