On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:42:13 +0000 Al Poole <[email protected]> said:
> Worst scenario we could pay the author??? just choose a different icon theme with better licensing... :) > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Davide Andreoli <[email protected]> > wrote: > > 2018-01-31 10:52 GMT+01:00 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>: > > > >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:37:28 +1030 Simon Lees <[email protected]> said: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > On 31/01/18 10:39, Davide Andreoli wrote: > >> > > The fdo icons in the efl theme are indeed GPL3, > >> > > as clearly staten in COPYING.images and data/elementary/themes/fdo > >> > > > >> > > I have no idea about the contamination and the resulting theme final > >> > > license. > >> > > > >> > > For sure I want (and we must) them to remain to that license. > >> > > > >> > > >> > I don't understand why you wouldn't want them licensed under an > >> > equivalent creative commons license rather then GPL-3, GPL-3 is designed > >> > for source code where as creative commons is designed for images, using > >> > the wrong sort of licenses leads to the ambiguities we are seeing here, > >> > if we can't convince the upstream developers to change there isn't much > >> > we can do but its worth trying. > >> > >> we need to probably replace them with icons that are not licensed like the > >> above. > >> > >> as for contamination, that is generally considered to be true with code if > >> they > >> share the same memory space. icons on the other hand do not. they are first > >> decoded/rendered then manipulated. code from the binary is mapped directly > >> into > >> memory as-is pretty much minus relocation. > >> > >> so while i don't think DATA files would leak their license to efl, gplv3 > >> does > >> create requirements of its host system (to allow any gplv3 components to be > >> replaceable by the end user) and that requires any system that would ship > >> these > >> to not be locked down. that is generally disliked by commercial vendors. > >> > >> so my take is "replace them". i could replace them anyway if the theme > >> fundamentally changed (e.g. became flat). > >> > > > > Did you see how many fdo icons are there? I don't think we have the manpower > > to redesign all of them. > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > 2018-01-30 14:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Philippe André <[email protected]>: > >> > > > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Simon Lees <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 30/01/18 22:20, Jean-Philippe André wrote: > >> > >>>> Hi, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Sungtaek pointed out to me that we have GPLv3-licensed artworks > >> (unsual > >> > >>> for > >> > >>>> images) in our theme, under data/elementary/theme/fdo. Those images > >> are > >> > >>> are > >> > >>>> then included in the compiled theme default.edj. One source is > >> clearly > >> > >>>> GPLv3: > >> > >>>> https://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Now I wonder what the implications of this are... > >> > >>>> 1. Does Elementary become GPL because we load the theme and it > >> contains > >> > >>>> executable code (embryo & edje programs), so the theme is to be > >> > >>> considered > >> > >>>> a library, contaminating everything?? > >> > >>>> 2. Or only the theme itself is GPL, by contamination from those > >> images? > >> > >>>> 3. Or is the compiled theme file not GPL because we're not linking > >> or > >> > >>>> derivating, merely archiving those images like in a Zip file, in > >> which > >> > >>> case > >> > >>>> only what's in the tree is GPL? This would be same as HTML: > >> > >>>> https://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26/2113242/when- > >> > >>> gpl-becomes-almost-gpl-the-css-images-and-javascript- > >> > >>> loophole/informative-comments#comments > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> In the FAQ I only found a mention about fonts: > >> > >>>> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#FontException > >> > >>>> We don't have such an exception. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Pretty sure there is no problem (i.e. #3 is right), but IANAL so I'd > >> > >>> rather > >> > >>>> ask away :) > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Licence wise i've always considered themes to be separate, whether > >> that > >> > >>> is correct or not is another question. GPL with images is silly > >> anyway > >> > >>> and we really should be asking upstream to relicense with some form > >> of > >> > >>> creative commons anyway which makes far more sense, but I guess the > >> > >>> theme is probably technically GPL-3 as a binary. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Not so sure. HTML seems to be a crazy exception: An HTML file > >> containing > >> > >> GPL licensed JS code is not GPL itself. Not consistent but makes > >> sense. EDJ > >> > >> probably also falls under the category of "container". > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Probably the biggest actual real life issue is if the theme is being > >> > >>> used in consumer devices such as tizen you would need to provide > >> > >>> consumers a way to swap there stock theme for one of there choice. > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yeah that's partly why I'm asking. :) > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Jean-Philippe André > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> ------------------ > >> > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > >> [email protected] > >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> ------------------ > >> > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > >> > > >> > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > >> > SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 > >> > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > >> Carsten Haitzler - [email protected] > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> ------------------ > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
