On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Jennings <m...@kainx.org> wrote: > On Saturday, 29 October 2011, at 11:23:37 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is >> after >> fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. >> >> the reason xrandr is on the todo is that there are many complaints and >> questions about how to get multi screen to work and we have no solution. >> >> the reason taskbar is there is because engage is compositing based >> realistically >> and we have to work without, and we again have had enough users complain and >> ask for a way to switch tasks. >> >> the reason efm is on the list is its mostly working and usable as a simple >> filemanager - that was its point. it needs some bugs fixed. >> >> the reason keymap config is there is for all those europeans (and a few >> others) >> with odd keymaps and people have no clue how to configure this on a >> command-line or in config files. the other todo items could get dropped, >> though >> theme does need to be polished. >> >> this wasnt unilaterally decided by me. i believe in making a good attempt at >> a >> quality release. gustavo just believes in dumping out whatever we have. all >> the >> bitching about gnome and others will happen to us if we don't provide these >> basics that gnome etc. already DO. to many people we are useless. these are >> not >> new fangled ideas or standards - this is old hat that we haven't covered. so >> how do u expect to make those people happy and try or stay with e when we are >> not functional in some key aspects? > > Absolutely correct.
The way you guys put thing looks like revolutionary stuff is coming before the release. The missing features won't hurt as much others you guys never cited. If the person is willing to use E17 you can be sure that features (even basic) doesn't play a role in his life as he can work out his stuff. If person wants features, they will very likely move between the 3 big ones (GNOME, KDE or Unity). There are tons of other features these people will miss, from indexing files to broader connection management (connman is not as used as networkmanager) to integration with web2.0 services such as sending pictures to picasa or flickr. IMO we're getting people that would be willing to move to awesome or fluxbox. That is, zero features, just speed and control. Like a sportive car. We can compete there. > After 10 years of development, releasing nothing is far, far > preferable to releasing something half-assed. > > I can hear the comments now. "I've waited this long for crap? 10 > years, and this is the best they can do? Never again!" This WILL happen. Because of exactly this argument. We don't release, developers go away and we have less man power. Other desktops don't stop, they release and get more developers, they can implement more. Features won't stop showing. In 2007 when I joined to project I was wondering why it was not released. By the time we still had basics like language and efm to do. We did not release and since then we also started to miss Composite Manager (done, while lang was not), Indexer Integration (partially done with Tracker in Everything)... very soon we'll have to implement the new FDO standards for applications menu and systray. Even the canonical arguments "fancy" and "light" are not applying these days. We're boring compared to competition. There are really light WM out there. That said, the more we wait, the worse it gets. We'll have to suffer, let's do it for once and for all. > If people are honestly that bent out of shape wanting a release, they > should be hammering away on the TODO list. Getting shit done is how a > release will happen, not rehashing the same tired old argument every > few months diverting time from more productive pursuits. I did try this approach earlier. It did not work. I've worked for years in the TODO list, yet the list is never enough for people blocking the release. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook in minutes. BlackBerry App World™ now supports Android™ Apps for the BlackBerry® PlayBook™. Discover just how easy and simple it is! http://p.sf.net/sfu/android-dev2dev _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
