On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:34:59 +0400 Igor Murzov <e-m...@date.by> said:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:18:26 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:52:44 -0600 Jeff Hoogland <jeffhoogl...@linux.com>
> > said:
> > 
> > > In the latest alpha there is a warning at startup about 3rd party modules
> > > - is there a simple way to disable this message?
> > 
> > no. i put it there very much intentionally. it's not going away.
> > 
> > > If I allow it to pop up for Bodhi users I know it will freak out a number
> > > of them (end users are a fairly skittish lot).
> > 
> > this is part of doing QA. after week after week having people say things
> > like "i get segvs!" then spending 10 mins back and forth finding its a
> > out-of-e17 tree module causing it 
> 
> That is not true. The crashes were also caused by bugs in E itself.

and the code path triggered by a 3rd party module. i don't care if e's code was
to blame - it's a bug we DONT NEED TO FIX FOR RELEASE. making a release is
about prioritizing and cutting out stuff so you can get it done. this is
cutting out work on/elated to 3rd party code that inserts itself into e and
cand then do anything it likes. there is no protection or safety. it's not
possible to do actually (not for a module or plugin - it'd need to be pushed
into another process and that negates the benefits of a module then).

> Also there are some patches on ML (including mine) that fix crashes
> in external modules, but no one cares enough to review them.

see above. priorities. and believe it or not - we're pretty busy.

> And this shitty warning-dialog has nothing to do with QA anyway.

i suggest you tell the kernel developers that their tainted mssages are also
useless. they'd love to hear that.

> -- Igor
> 
> > (eg get them to unload engage and problem goes away),
> > i'm tired of my time being wasted by this. we aren't releasing engage. we
> > aren't releasing places, tclock or any of these. we are releasing e17. this
> > is e's version of the kernels "tainted" message. as a gui app.. we stuff
> > that message into the gui. perhaps you should simply not have any 3rd party
> > modules loaded/enabled by default in any profile in bodhi as frankly... we
> > will wipe our hands of them and the problems they cause. we don't have the
> > manpower to spend on that.
> 


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The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    ras...@rasterman.com


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